Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 August 28

August 28

This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on August 28, 2019.

Template:WikiProject GLAM-IHS/doc

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was keep. (non-admin closure) feminist (talk) 03:31, 7 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Cleanup. Complete move. It had to be deleted at the first place. Magioladitis (talk) 18:59, 21 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BDD (talk) 19:36, 28 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Nominating the old name of a moved template's documentation page? What's the point? The parent page is harmless, and I can't imagine why we'd ever want to delete a redirect for one particular template component, unless it was causing technical issues internal to the template. Nyttend backup (talk) 12:27, 29 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Mavis Beacon minigame redirects

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix (talk) 22:25, 12 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Mavis Beacon minigames aren't mentioned in the article. We could debate whether a simple listing of them would be acceptable or start to violate WP:NOTGAMEGUIDE, but if we've gotten by without a list this long, I think we probably don't need one. Any attempt to list them would be complicated by the fact that the list of games has presumably changed among the many different Mavis Beacon editions.

I checked all of these titles to see if there were alternate uses. I started to disambiguate Ride the Wave but found all of the uses were really trivial or not suitable for inclusion (i.e., advertising slogans). --BDD (talk) 19:26, 28 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. All of these games, plus "Road Race", were removed from the article in 2005! I've browsed the history and been unable to find a more recent appearance of a games list. These redirects should have been deleted more than one-tenth of a century ago. Nyttend backup (talk) 12:35, 29 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: They have zero or near-zero page view stats. Unlike the esteemed nominator, I don't assume they are truly names of minigames. Every redirect has a modicum of responsibility to not look like total hoax and these items are failing in that regard. flowing dreams (talk page) 09:41, 7 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Macedondom

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The result of the discussion was no consensus. Some of these were closer to a keep, some closer to a delete, but I didn't see clear consensus for action on any of them. --BDD (talk) 15:42, 17 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Created alongside Macedonianization and similar alternative phrasings, this particular one is just incorrect, and has no usage history and virtually no hits online. I also searched for this phrase's transliteration into Cyrillic and didn't find anything. signed, Rosguill talk 17:56, 9 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Added several analogous examples, none appear to have anything in the way of a usage history on Wikipedia. signed, Rosguill talk 22:15, 9 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

We need to keep it. Its Cyrillic translation is: "македонство", and there are many hits on Google. In the English speaking realm it is used in the Australian and Canadian legal system (possibly some others too). GStojanov (talk) 20:51, 9 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure I follow this argument. We already have Macedonianisation, Macedonianization, Macedonisation, and Macedonization, as well as more verbose examples such as Emergence of Macedonian Slavic nationalism and North Macedonian nationalism. Why do we also need several unlikely and ungrammatical terms, particularly ones that are not in any way derived from the Macedonian language? I wasn't able to see anything about its use in other countries from Google search (nor do I really understand why such countries would need to use this term), and would appreciate sources establishing its usage. signed, Rosguill talk 22:10, 9 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Macedondom -> Englishness, Macedonization -> Englishization. There are two different terms signifying different things. GStojanov (talk) 10:19, 10 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I think you missed the point of my argument. If I were translating Македонство to English, I would call it Macedonian nationalism or perhaps Macedonian national identity. "Macedonhood", "Macedondom" and the like, as far as I can tell, have never been used in English by a reliable source. signed, Rosguill talk 23:20, 19 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Macedondom — македонство, romanized: makedonstvo (see: mk:Македонство)....similarly: Serbdom — српство / srpstvo (see: sh:Srpstvo) --SrpskiAnonimac (talk) 21:08, 19 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The crux of my argument is that I have yet to see any evidence that "Macedondom" or for that matter "Serbdom" are actual words that are used in English. Neither Webster's nor the OED have entries for either of these terms, and internet search results return only some forum and blog results (and even then, only for a subset of the terms being discussed here). signed, Rosguill talk 23:06, 19 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
All these terms have slightly different connotation. Some have positive connotation only (Macedondom, Macedonhood). Some have negative connotation only (Macedonistic). They are all used in Macedonian, Serbian, Bulgarian, Greek and Albanian language. They are all wrongly and simplistically translated in English mostly as Macedonian Nationalism, disregarding the connotation that these terms signify. I think we need to keep them all and we need to redirect them to Macedonians (ethnic group) GStojanov (talk) 19:37, 20 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • There's [1], which uses "Macedoniandom". "Macedonistic" is used here and here to refer to the ancient kingdom as well as the more modern national movement ([2]) "Macedoniality is also used in the latter context (Here, top of pg. 13) Macedonianhood as well (pg 172. Leaning towards keeping or retargeting those. Can't find uses of the first two, so leaning towards delete for those. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 15:34, 21 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Keep these. They have no other meaning, and are harmless. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 11:32, 22 August 2019 (UTC).[reply]
  • Delete all per WP:NOTNEO. TSventon (talk) 08:54, 23 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep them. They are used by people in and around Macedonia when they write in English. They all have different connotations. GStojanov (talk) 13:10, 23 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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  • I had to check to see if these were more Neelix redirects, but the "make an unwieldly English word-suffix-salad" going on here seems to be coincidence. Per Patar knight: delete Macedondom and Macedonhood; keep the rest as they seem to have real-world usage, and per WP:CHEAP. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 12:08, 29 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Alex Ferrari (MTV CFO)

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Bavarian/Austrian language

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The result of the discussion was no consensus. (non-admin closure) Steel1943 (talk) 17:54, 19 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Bavarian/Austrian language → Bavarian language  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Afaic, this redirect does not seem to really make sense. Hildeoc (talk) 18:06, 21 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Hildeoc:, can you explain why the redirect does not make sense? Would Bavarian Austrian language or Bavarian-Austrian language make more sense? TSventon (talk) 09:58, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep Since the language is also known as Bavarian Austrian or Austro-Bavarian, this is either an acceptable alternative or a plausibly erroneous construction. --BDD (talk) 16:19, 28 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Western Chalcedonism

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 19:40, 10 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Western Chalcedonism → Latin Church  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Both a Google scholar and an internet search turn up no relevant results for this phrase, and there's almost no pageview history. I would suggest deleting, as there's no evidence of use for this term. signed, Rosguill talk 17:34, 28 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment. Have you checked the same for "Western Chalcedonian Christianity"? PPEMES (talk) 17:40, 28 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. I considered retargeting to Western Christianity: based on our article Chalcedonian Christianity, it seems there is no precise definition for this term, but it describes those churches that agreed with the Council of Chalcedon which were broadly at the time aligned with the Latin Church (the West), from which the Protestants later split. Western Christianity broadly describes both of those broad churches, but not the outcomes of the Council of Chalcedon. So it seems we don't really have one good target for this seemingly not widely used term. Best to delete rather than invent a definition here. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 17:56, 28 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Clarification of the law by the court

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The result of the discussion was no consensus. --BDD (talk) 15:15, 17 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Clarification of the law by the court → Case law  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned in target, it's not clear to me that these are synonyms. Delete unless a justification can be found. signed, Rosguill talk 18:18, 21 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

As Common law in Common law countries is often put on the same level as case law, so is the main function of Case Law in Civil law systems "the clarification of the law" (as "law making" is not possible, as that's ruled out through the trias politica division). In practice that often comes down to the same thing nowadays ;-). Anyway, that must be the reason for the redirect, but I have no problem with deleting it... L.tak (talk) 01:25, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Most countries have separate legislature and judiciary. Law making is with legislature, but it is interpreted by the court on case by case basis. Legislature can overrule the court clarification of the law, by passing a more detailed law, but until then case law stays. So the redirect is apt. Crashed greek (talk) 03:47, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Delete as case law is not the only way in which a court can clarify the law; for example, courts in many countries also issue advisory opinions. I wouldn't be opposed to a retarget if someone can suggest a good target that explains both of these ways in which a court clarifies the law, but I can't find one. 59.149.124.29 (talk) 02:38, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Seithr Oil

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The result of the discussion was delete. No prejudice against recreation if it's added as proposed, or elsewhere. It may be prudent to wait a few days to make sure the addition sticks. --BDD (talk) 19:39, 10 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Minor (?) fictional element that isn't mentioned in Wikipedia. —Xezbeth (talk) 12:44, 21 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Add to list of fictional elements? All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 16:26, 21 August 2019 (UTC).[reply]
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Anthropomorph

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Iron, pentacarbonyl-

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 19:38, 10 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Iron, pentacarbonyl- → Iron pentacarbonyl  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This seems like an implausible way of searching compounds, based on a nonstandard sort name. Imagine this for bromochlorofluoroiodomethane, for instance. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 06:16, 28 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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C12H8Cl2O2S2

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 19:38, 10 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • C12H8Cl2O2S2 → Fenticlor  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

C12H8Cl2O2S2 was created by mistake: formula of Fenticlor is C12H8Cl2O2S. I have not found molecule in enWiki with formula C12H8Cl2O2S2. I propose to delete it. Gyimhu (talk) 05:45, 28 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. This redirect appears to have been created in error. -- Ed (Edgar181) 12:59, 1 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Döblin

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Marcel Ruiz (actor)

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The result of the discussion was page moved. Essentially an uncontroversial move request, so boldly done. PC78 (talk) 23:54, 28 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It is a reason why if I did not move this page, because of existed article that is created earlier. TaleofTalisman (talk) 11:23, 28 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Move target article over the redirect, since this is unnecessary (or over-precise) disambiguation. --BDD (talk) 13:26, 28 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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