Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 November 3

November 3

This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on November 3, 2015.

Suface combusiton

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 15:06, 10 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Suface combusiton → Surface Combustion  (links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Delete. Too many typos to be useful. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 21:03, 3 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per nom --Lenticel (talk) 23:04, 3 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Two typos, not likely to be useful. sst✈discuss 01:23, 4 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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ソニック・ザ・ヘッジホッグ

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Sonic the Hedgehog. --BDD (talk) 15:04, 10 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I know the Japanese article of this name is about the character, but as it originated in Japan, their viewpoint is bound to be different. The title literally translates to Sonic the Hedgehog, and our page with that title is a disambiguation page. Neither name always specifically refers to the character, and could refer to anything to do with Sonic the Hedgehog. I therefore think it might be better if this Japanese-language redirect goes to the disambiguation page instead. It should also be noted that this originally went to the 16-bit 1991 video game, before going to the article about the character. Adam9007 (talk) 21:01, 3 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Retarget to Sonic the Hedgehog per nom. The Japanese name of the character is the same in every one of those articles. I'm not convinced that Sonic the Hedgehog (character) is not the primary topic (it would be difficult to determine), but only that the Japanese redirect should go to the same place as the English page. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 21:07, 3 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget to Sonic the Hedgehog per nom / per Ivanvector. ONR (talk) 01:14, 9 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Pig Immunodeficiency Virus

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 15:03, 10 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Pig Immunodeficiency Virus → Swine influenza  (links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Like #PAIDS below, swine flu isn't an "immunodeficiency virus," it's an influenza. -- Tavix (talk) 20:57, 3 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. Nope. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 21:01, 3 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom --Lenticel (talk) 23:05, 3 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Flu is not an immunodeficiency virus -- 70.51.44.60 (talk) 05:49, 4 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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PAIDS

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 15:02, 10 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • PAIDS → Swine influenza  (links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

I think this is trying to be "pig acquired immune deficiency syndrome," which isn't a real disease. However, my search brought up a few other things with this acronym, so this joke redirect is more harmful than it's worth. -- Tavix (talk) 16:37, 3 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete - not AIDS and not related. I find this "joke" somewhat offensive. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 20:51, 3 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as confusing at best. We can also do a Very weak retarget to paid since it can be considered as a miscap --Lenticel (talk) 23:07, 3 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget {{R from plural}} -- to paid (disambiguation), as at least the first term supports the plural form. -- 70.51.44.60 (talk) 05:51, 4 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Which term? The journal PAID doesn't seem to ever be referred to as PAIDS, neither of the film titles can be pluralized, and "paids" is not a valid shortening of "payments". Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 15:47, 4 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
If you have multiple copies of the journal, then you have several PAIDs (You can have 30 Scientific Americans). And collectively, the movies can be referred to as the Paids. (like ie. Which of the Star Treks do you like most?) -- 70.51.44.60 (talk) 05:46, 5 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
No offense or anything, but I think retargeting is a bad idea. For one, your argument is completely theoretical. I haven't seen any evidence of anyone calling anything at PAID "PAIDS." Second, the caps imply that it would be an acronym in its own right, not a pluralized version of "PAID." My search shows that there are some uses for "PAIDS," although I didn't see anything encyclopedic. A WP:REDLINK would show our readers that we don't have anything entitled "PAIDS," and rightfully so. -- Tavix (talk) 16:56, 5 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough, though I am of the opinion that plurals (allcaps, nocaps, title case, proper caps) should redirect to the singular form as found in base articles and disambiguation pages (and vice versa for singular forms) as a general rule, whenever no articles actually have that name. -- 70.51.44.60 (talk) 06:24, 6 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete; "PAIDS" mean other things. Paid doesn't have any acronyms for "PAIDS", so redirecting there would be misleading. — Earwig talk 19:36, 6 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Hamthrax

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 15:01, 10 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hamthrax → Swine influenza  (links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

I believe this to be more harmful than it's worth as a joke. Swine flu has little to do with anthrax, which is what the redirect is alluding to. -- Tavix (talk) 16:29, 3 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per nom, basically. Confusing to readers since it's not anthrax. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 20:51, 3 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as confusing since these are two distinct diseases --Lenticel (talk) 23:05, 3 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete not anthrax -- 70.51.44.60 (talk) 05:17, 6 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Only a couple old blog mentions; neologism that hasn't gained traction. Misleading. — Earwig talk 19:32, 6 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Neologisms generally shouldn't be redirects, unless they have established traction. ONR (talk) 01:16, 9 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Geordie Whelps

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The result of the discussion was retarget. --BDD (talk) 14:57, 10 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget to Cam Ye O'er Frae France, a Scots folk song including this character. The name may refer to more than one person, and this is explained in the article. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 15:17, 3 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget per above. DrKay (talk) 15:20, 3 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget per nom --Lenticel (talk) 03:50, 5 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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United States of Australia

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 14:55, 10 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • United States of Australia → Australia  (links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Nonsense. Yes, Australia is a union of several states, but in a very different way from the United States of America. This name is only used in reliable sources to refer to something that Australia is not. Creator is responsible for a number of other nonsense "United States" redirects including United States of Europe, United States of Germany, and United States of India; they have been variously retargeted to more appropriate articles or deleted. I couldn't find a better target for this one so I propose deletion. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 14:49, 3 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete: if a reader starts typing "United States" into a search box then it is obvious they wish to go to an article about the United States not Australia. This is not just an unlikely search term: it is disruptive and it makes finding the article readers wish to find more difficult. DrKay (talk) 15:30, 3 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as per nom and DrKay. No common usage of this term to indicate a redirect is warranted. Onel5969 TT me 16:04, 3 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as Australia's official name is not the "United States of Australia" nor has it ever been known for such a name. TheAstuteObserver (talk) 08:57, 5 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as an unknown quantity (i.e., nothing even resembling such nomenclature comes close to WP:COMMONNAME), plus per arguments already expressed above. Introducing such redirects is disruptive. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 04:54, 6 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
all noted from contribs. Baffle gab1978 (talk) 21:41, 9 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • You could list those separately if you like, but note that many of them have already been pointed to more appropriate targets. Noted above. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 21:49, 9 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
That's okay Ivanvector; if they're good they're good. Thanks to whoever for changing the majority of them. :-) Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 05:49, 10 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Scedenigge

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Scania#Endonym and exonyms. --BDD (talk) 14:50, 10 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Scedenigge → Scandinavia  (links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

According to this source, "Scedenigge" means "in the isles of Scania" in Beowulf, which would make this an Old English redirect. We could either retarget to Scania or delete per WP:RFOREIGN. -- Tavix (talk) 05:42, 3 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Good find. I missed that earlier because it's spelled differently at that target: "Scedenige." I doubt it makes a difference though. -- Tavix (talk) 23:45, 3 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Diego Vel\xC3\xA1zquez

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 14:48, 10 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Diego Vel\xC3\xA1zquez → Diego Velázquez  (links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Delete as mojibake. -- Tavix (talk) 05:34, 3 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • I made this redirect (way back at 07:38, 24 June 2013‎) as a redirect from an often-used badly-formed incoming external link. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 05:41, 3 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - it could be that the stats tool just doesn't handle this because of the markup, but it's showing zero hits for the last 60 days. I think it's safe to delete. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 14:37, 3 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as unlikely misspelling --Lenticel (talk) 01:58, 4 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: previous discussions in 2013 and 2014 resulted in deletion. I fear these redirects are a rabbit hole that we shouldn't go down, and even if we did, it would be better in software (which has been declined). This list of examples is two years old. Perhaps we should re-examine these redirects on a broader scale? — Earwig talk 19:26, 6 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Well, the software has apparently never been fixed, and consensus has repeatedly favoured deletion of redirects like this, so I don't think there's any reason why that entire list shouldn't be deleted. Except for the old Afd/Vfd pages way down near the bottom, those document historic deletion discussions. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 19:32, 6 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Ivanvector: Would you be willing to start a mass-RfD? I'm not sure if we should expand the scope of this one (since it's already half-over) or create a separate discussion. — Earwig talk 00:32, 7 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'd be willing to start one. I'd wait until this one is completed so we have a "test case" of sorts. -- Tavix (talk) 00:42, 7 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sure. Let me know before you do and I can make a current list of pages. — Earwig talk 00:51, 7 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • That'd be great, just do it at your earliest convenience and ping me when you're done. If it's not too big of a hassle, include the target as well, since it'll make inclusion into the {{rfd2}} template a lot easier. -- Tavix (talk) 01:02, 7 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as mojibake, per nom. ONR (talk) 01:17, 9 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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United States of Germany

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 14:47, 10 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • United States of Germany → Germany  (links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned at target. Implausible search term. - Champion (talk) (contribs) (Formerly TheChampionMan1234) 04:16, 3 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. This was one of a vast number of disruptive/politically dubious redirects and edits made by an extremely disruptive editor and confirmed sockpuppeteer. Mabalu (talk) 10:32, 3 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy delete WP:G5 - user contributing in contravention of an active block, and nonsense to boot. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 14:41, 3 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - actually I can't find evidence that this user was blocked at the time they created these redirects, since although Sergecross73 blocked them for abusing multiple accounts they did not link to an SPI, so I think that G5 does not apply. This should still be deleted, though. It's factually incorrect - Germany is a federal republic of constituent states but they are not referred to as a union or as "united states" in any reliable sources, except to contrast with something that Germany is not. This could possibly be retargeted to United States of Europe: there are some sources which when describing the concept of a federated Europe refer to it as an expanded German union (due to Germany's dominant position in the EU) but I think that is a weak targeting option. It could also target States of Germany but I think this is off too because Germany's states are not referred to as "united states", so it's an implausible search. I think deletion is best here. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 14:58, 3 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yes, correct, I don't think they were blocked at the time of the creation of the redirect, though they were eventually blocked because they kept on using multiple accounts to make these implausible, confusing redirects. There was no formal SPI, just an editor who kept on noticing the person doing it, and me making an easy call on it. (From what I recall anyways, its been a while.) Sergecross73 msg me 15:02, 3 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for that. Was this account the sockmaster then? If so then I guess they weren't blocked at the time of this creation. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 20:50, 3 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per my comments above. DrKay (talk) 15:30, 3 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - The first thing it brought to mind for me was West Germany, as it was controlled partly by the United States. However, the phrasing doesn't convey that, nor is it a good target.—Godsy(TALKCONT) 20:43, 3 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as confusing at best --Lenticel (talk) 00:48, 5 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sounds like a reference to the 1632 series. But it's an unlikely search term. Kelly hi! 04:15, 7 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. It's a politically dubious redirect, not a 1632 reference. ONR (talk) 03:01, 9 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per Ivanvector, WP:XY, and maybe WP:REDLINK. It's the wrong name of a bunch of stuff and the correct name of nothing in English Wikipedia. (There's a potentially-notable book by this title, OCLC 315910146, by de:Kurt Karl Doberer, but neither he nor his book are covered here yet.) 58.176.246.42 (talk) 04:21, 9 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget to States of Germany, which explains the federal system of Bundesrepublik Deutschland to the reader. My guess is that someone who speaks some German but doesn't know the official translation "Federal Republic of Germany" = "Bundesrepublik Deutschland" will probably try "United States of Germany" by analogy with the USA. Deryck C. 21:59, 9 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Fag end

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Cigarette#Cigarette butt. --BDD (talk) 14:45, 10 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Fag end → wiktionary:fag-end  (links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
  • I don't see any reason at all to have a redirect like this. Why does it exist? Oiyarbepsy (talk) 03:09, 3 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget to Cigarette#Cigarette butt (also the target of Cigarette butt) where it receives a sourced mention as a synonym. 58.176.246.42 (talk) 04:02, 3 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Revert it to its first edit, which was a soft redirect to wikt:fag-end, where there is a useful definition Anthony Appleyard (talk) 05:41, 3 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget per 58 and {{wi}}, which states that we should only use a Wiktionary redirect when "there is no other Wikipedia page to which this would be an appropriate redirect." 58 has found a Wikipedia page to which this would be an appropriate redirect, so let's retarget it there. -- Tavix (talk) 15:29, 3 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget to Cigarette#Cigarette butt where the redirect is discussed per anon --Lenticel (talk) 23:15, 3 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget to Cigarette#Cigarette butt per above.—Godsy(TALKCONT) 23:16, 3 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget per above. ONR (talk) 03:01, 9 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Forma viva

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The result of the discussion was convert to article. — Earwig talk 18:57, 6 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:RFOREIGN: [1]. -- Tavix (talk) 01:18, 3 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • How much is this expression used in English with that meaning? Anthony Appleyard (talk) 05:44, 3 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I wasn't able to find anything personally. If you find a reliable example of English usage, be sure to post it so I can add it to the article and withdraw this nomination. -- Tavix (talk) 15:21, 3 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per WP:REDLINK. Latin for "living form". From a machine translation of sl:Forma viva, Forma Viva was an historic sculpture group exhibit or symposium, the artworks from which were later permanently displayed in two Slovenian parks, and then more parks as other symposia were held over a few years. So this refers to particular thing[s] in Slovenia, rather than a translation of the general subject of sculpture gardens. In English, there are a number of jewellery retailers who use the name "Forma Viva" but that seems to be more "hey this is a cool sounding name" rather than an actual translation or nod to the Slovenian topic. We could probably write an article about this but I can't translate Slovenian, and Google doesn't do a great job of it either. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 15:35, 3 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. I've started a Draft:Forma viva, basing it on it:Forma viva, and later will incorporate translated text from de:Forma Viva (I have to go out now). I don't speak either of them brilliantly, but being able to use these two I think I can make a reasonably accurate job. One thing I am not sure of, is if in English we should have "Viva" with an initial cap (German does, naturally, and the others don't, equally naturally); but I don't think it greatly matters. The German article includes two or three references in English. Si Trew (talk) Si Trew (talk) 07:38, 5 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I think yes to caps, because it's a proper name. One can redirect to the other. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 14:51, 5 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Procedural close, please, I've converted it to an article.
Pace Ivanvector, I decided to put it at Forma viva because the definition of it, in the WP:FIRSTSENTENCE, as an open-air gallery/museum is lower case. But the symposia (which are the meat of the article) would be in title case. Of the two external links I've added, both in English, one uses caps and one lower case; but I think that's just a continuation of the norm in the native language. It's an uneasy balance, so don't mind if it is juggled over Forma Viva (I've retargeted that to point to the article, of course). Jumping the gun, I've left {{old rfd}} tags at each of their talk pages, and nominated the draft for WP:G6 at CSD. Si Trew (talk) 04:46, 6 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Bull tv series uk

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The result of the discussion was delete; the original creator appeared to make a G7 claim, so closing this a little early. — Earwig talk 19:13, 6 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Redir after move of new article. Bad title - UK is caps, and this should be parenthetic if anything, just delete it. Widefox; talk 00:59, 3 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete unlikely search term. clpo13(talk) 01:13, 3 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per Clpo13's logic. The chances of anyone searching "Bull tv series uk" on Wikipedia is unlikely indeed. /wia /tlk /cntrb 02:54, 3 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. Much too new to keep as a {{R from page move}}. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 14:38, 3 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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