Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 November 17

November 17

This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on November 17, 2014.

Korean cars

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was retarget to Automotive industry in Korea. JohnCD (talk) 18:54, 26 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

"Korea" is not a synonym for "South Korea" - TheChampionMan1234 23:08, 17 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Isil

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was retarget to Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant. JohnCD (talk) 19:09, 26 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Recommend retargeting to Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant.

This proposal was previously made here with no consensus for a move. This was in September when the ISIL page at that time mainly made use of the acronym "ISIS". Substantial changes have happened since. Shortly after the last failed request the standard acronym for the group on Wikipedia pages became ISIL and, as many government's have continued to use the term ISIL/Isil in their references to the group, this terminology has also begun to appear more and more prominently in the press. Wikipedia even has a few pages of various types with ISIL as the base of their titles. The ISIL page has a hatnote to ISIL (disambiguation) which provides adequate connection to the Elven name of Tolkien's moon. Gregkaye ✍♪ 22:18, 17 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Support as per nominator's reasons. Legacypac (talk) 23:41, 17 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment to clarify the current target of this redirect is ISIL (disambiguation); I infer that this proposal is to retarget the redirect to Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (and not as currently indicated in this nomination as being the current target, in the nomination line) -- is this correct? -- 67.70.35.44 (talk) 04:51, 18 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    • Someone updated the nomination in a way that addressed my comment -- 67.70.35.44 (talk) 05:52, 19 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Retarget per nom. That is, keep this pointed to ISIL (disambiguation), its present target. The lowercase "isil" is not an acronym, as acronyms are in UPPERcase. The proposed target is linked at the TOP of the dab page. Even lazy readers who type the lowercase "isil" into a search field get to where they want to go. Since "isil" is an ambiguous term, it should target the dab page. Bringing this to RfD and disabling the redirect so frequently just serves to make it more difficult for those readers. I recommend no change and a speedy close. – Paine Ellsworth CLIMAX! 17:42, 18 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Paine, my friend and countryman, did you know that it's common to only uppercase the first letter of acronyms in British English? I didn't either until a friend brought it to my attention. You can find references to "Isil" pretty commonly in reputable British news sources. I'm not quite at the point of supporting this proposal, but I'm pretty close. --BDD (talk) 17:09, 19 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I confess I did not know that, so thank you for opening up yet another English-language nuance to me. Perhaps the guideline can sway us? Capitalisation: Some acronyms are written with all capital letters, some with a mixture of capitals and lower-case letters and some are written as common nouns (e.g. laser). Acronyms whose letters are pronounced individually (which is what some call "initialisms", for example FBI, EU) are written in capitals. – Ref. MOS:ABBR#Acronyms. So it appears to be all in the pronunciation. Is "isil" pronounced as an acronym or as an initialism – iss'-il/iz'-il or eye-ess-eye-ell? If the latter, and that would be my assumption, then per the guideline the acronym should only be in capital letters with apologies to our British friends, one of whom quite possibly wrote the guideline. (Now, this is what may be called "nit picking", yet it is enough for me to stick with my decision.) – Paine  19:08, 19 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Paine please pick any youtube video and listen - nearly 100% of the time Isis is pronounced as an acronym NOT as an initialism.
I've never heard it pronounced, but in my head it has always been as a word: /ˈaɪ.sɪl/ (EYE-sill). As for the capitalisation, British English is generally moving towards uppercasing only the initial letter of an acronym or initialism that is pronounced as a word, but it it is still within the realm of house style as this short piece in The Guardian notes. Thryduulf (talk) 01:44, 20 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The fact is that the namespace Isil is redirected to a disambiguation page that contains reference to four organisation that all use acronyms that can all be equally presented as "ISIL" or "Isil". Of all of these the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant fulfils the criteria of WP:PRIMARY. The only item of consideration on the disambiguation page is the elven name of Tolkien's moon. It is really just a weigh up between references to this enchanting and distant moon and the various horrific news reports that, rightly or wrongly, describe this notorious rebel group as Isil. It happens in the news a lot. Many people will search on isil not bothering to press caps because they, like me, may not have heard that there is another isil. I'd prefer the moon to be the more notable use but I don't think this is the case. Gregkaye ✍♪ 05:50, 20 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I was also not aware of the Brits using lower case acronyms, but now what I read makes perfect sense. Isil used here. All the major networks and political leaders say Isis or Isil as a word like Scuba, not sounded out letters like FBI We need to direct Isil to the main article since lots of media use Isil with lower case for the group and who cares about some made up moon.
  • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3mnfaMa7RM ISIS
  • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2myU0V-55s ISIL
Legacypac (talk) 04:14, 21 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
This pretty much does it for me, I guess. Your "who cares about..." notwithstanding, those who do care can be assured that this nomenclature change won't last nearly as long Tolkien's stories will. – Paine Ellsworth CLIMAX! 22:59, 21 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Turku Repair Yard

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The result of the discussion was no consensus. --BDD (talk) 19:59, 29 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Misleading redirect; the repair yard is located in Luonnonmaa, Naantali; see fi:Turun Korjaustelakka.

  • Luonnonmaan Telakka → Crichton-Vulcan  (links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/delete ] 

Misleading redirect; means "Luonnonmaa yard"; see the rationale above.

  • Luonnonmaan telakka → Crichton-Vulcan  (links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/delete ] 

Misleading redirect; see the rationale above.

  • Wärtsila Turku Shipyard → Crichton-Vulcan  (links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/delete ] 

Unlike spelling error Wärtsila instead of Wärtsilä.

  • Waertsila Turku Shipyard → Crichton-Vulcan  (links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/delete ] 

Unlike spelling error: replacing one of the diacritics by"ae" and the other one with "a". --Gwafton (talk) 18:11, 1 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep all except misspelling Waertsila Turku Shipyard. Shipyards have many names and change owners all the time. The old Crichton-Vulcan shipyard operated under the names Wärtsila Turku Shipyard and Turku Repair Yard for a total of 30 years. Both periods are covered in the article. The requester is free to translate fi:Turun Korjaustelakka if he wants to move the redirects elsewhere. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 23:31, 1 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Turku Repair Yard is a spin-off from the Wärtsilä Turku Shipyard, but as the repair yard is now located in Luonnonmaa, the redirect is misleading. The different variants of Luonnonmaa shipyard are even worse because the redirects guide to a geographically different area. Moreover, Luonnonmaa yard used to operate separately by a different company, in parallel with Wärtsilä Turku Yard. The redirects shall be deleted, not only because they don't add any value to Wikipedia, but because most of all they increase the confusion of concept about Turku shipyard. Rather than translating myself articles made by others, I suggest the user, who has made the redirects, to produce some content to them, because such work adds value in Wikipedia. --Gwafton (talk) 16:50, 2 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Adf.ly

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The result of the discussion was no consensus. --BDD (talk) 19:36, 11 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Adfly → URL shortening (links to redirect • history • stats)     [ Closure: keep/delete ] 

Seems to be a spam/scam site. “Get paid for every person who visits your URLs.” Also, almost every link i found in the past to a page on this domain pointed to a page full of ads � (talk) 18:28, 25 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep I have used this site before personally, and it is a genuine site. https://www.mywot.com/en/scorecard/adf.ly - Check MyWOT. Of course the ads may be a bit spammy, but just don't click on the adverts! I do not see why this redirect should be deleted, as AdF.ly is a URL shortening service. Thanks, George (My Talk Page) 18:35, 25 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    • It is not **just** an URL shortening service. As the article at URL shortening service does not discuss the controversies, i think this redirect is unbalanced — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ï¿½ (talk • contribs) 20:23, 25 September 2014‎ (UTC)[reply]
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  • Delete unless it will be mentioned in the article and backed with reliable 3rd party references. --Lenticel (talk) 01:11, 18 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Follow the same logic and rationale as Lenticel, plus to keep and just don't click on the adverts! is not the way Wikipedia handles SPAM. – Paine Ellsworth CLIMAX! 18:04, 18 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    We should also add Adfly which is almost certainly connected to Adf.ly.--69.157.253.160 (talk) 22:31, 18 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
     Done – Paine Ellsworth CLIMAX! 00:51, 19 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, I have added a mention of Adfly to the target page. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 13:52, 19 November 2014 (UTC).
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Filthydelphia

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The result of the discussion was retarget to List of city nicknames in Pennsylvania. JohnCD (talk) 19:00, 26 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

deletion. This is an offensive, abusive nickname for Philadelphia. There is (properly) no discussion of it in the targeted Philadelphia article TypoBoy (talk) 18:25, 25 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete The offensiveness of the nickname seems less relevant than the uncommonness of the nickname (according to a Google search). Dreamyshade (talk) 17:41, 29 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep WP:NOTCENSORED ; this seems widely used (Google books);(Google);-- 65.94.171.225 (talk) 05:03, 30 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Those Google Books hits seem mostly to put scare quotes around the name. They're making a joke, not using an alternative name. TypoBoy (talk) 19:28, 30 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
And because it appears in those books, it is being used. -- 65.94.171.225 (talk) 20:19, 30 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Unnecessary term that doesn't benefit an encyclopedia as an accurate term. (WP:NOTCENSORED mainly refers to profanity and nudity, and this one is neither ... rather, it's just unencyclopedic.) Steel1943 (talk) 19:56, 2 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, in absence of encyclopedic discussion of the nickname. No one who hears "Filthydelphia" is going to realistically not understand the reference, so simply redirecting to Philadelphia isn't especially helpful. I'm also basing this on my failure to find other redirects or discussion of other (perhaps lovingly) pejorative US city nicknames, such as Spokanistan (Spokane, Washington) and Rottenchester (Rochester, New York, and perhaps Minnesota too). --BDD (talk) 16:00, 3 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
*shrug* You have a point, but for now, this one's actually listed. --BDD (talk) 17:11, 19 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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SEAMEO Mathematics Olympiad

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The result of the discussion was no consensus. --BDD (talk) 19:38, 11 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Target has no information on the Olympiad, which is too minor too be mentioned there anyway. Fram (talk) 08:52, 17 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep of course. Target does have information on the olympiad. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 13:54, 19 November 2014 (UTC).
  • Keep - mentioned at target. Probably worth spinning out to it's own article at some point, but that day is far away. WilyD 12:38, 20 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    • It was an article, which I prodded as not being notable and which got deleted. Only then was the one line added to the target article and the redirect created. Fram (talk) 12:51, 20 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
      • And only then was the redirect listed for deletion. So I am not sure why you thought it wasn't mentioned on the SEAMEO page, since following the redirect would take you straight there. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 02:30, 22 November 2014 (UTC).
        • Being mentioned is hardly the same as having information... Fram (talk) 18:10, 22 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Shane Justis

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The result of the discussion was delete Wizardman 04:10, 27 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The player is not affiliated with the organization, no reason for redirect Spanneraol (talk) 01:51, 17 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per nom; Justis is no longer playing. NatureBoyMD (talk) 02:13, 17 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom --Lenticel (talk) 01:09, 18 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Bigger picture, there is a recentism problem here. Players are being removed from Milwaukee Brewers minor league players, and, as far as I can see not being added to Former Milwaukee Brewers minor league players, or similar. In this case it was here. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 20:27, 19 November 2014 (UTC).
Thats a content discussion for another place.. A former players article would be way too big and unwieldy.. especially since these players play for many different teams.Spanneraol (talk) 04:28, 21 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to Former Milwaukee Brewers minor league players#Shane Justis All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 16:39, 21 November 2014 (UTC).
It's a bad idea to create that page Rich. Spanneraol (talk) 16:47, 21 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed, respectfully. Playing on a minor league team is not enough on its own to impart notability per WP:NSPORTS so there is no need to make a list of former players for that team. If Justis was notable otherwise then we would already have an appropriate target. Ivanvector (talk) 16:57, 21 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The player does not need notability to be on such a list. The overall topic needs to be notable. And certainly this could be split down by teams or as otherwise required. But if the information is significant for current players, it is significant for former players. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 02:27, 22 November 2014 (UTC).
Well, that's my point actually - "people who used to play in the minor leagues" is not a notable topic - the only such players we ever keep info on in Wikipedia are those who went on to play in the major leagues, or who meet GNG for other reasons. We have a page for the minor league system, and it's appropriate to list current players there, but if they never play in the majors it makes sense to forget about them, in encyclopedic terms. Ivanvector (talk) 19:16, 26 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Peda Bommalapuram Puram

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The result of the discussion was delete. This redirect meets the requirements for speedy deletion. (non-admin closure) – Paine Ellsworth CLIMAX! 01:13, 19 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete (by mistake create an extra word Puram and moved the page. Already moved the page from Bommalapuram - > Peda Bommalapuram earlier.Vin09 (talk) 05:28, 17 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep R from move; original page has been at this location since 2008. @Vin09: it is not necessary and not desirable to delete the redirects that are left behind after page moves, even if the name is wrong. Right now, some pages that link here use the incorrect name, but they get redirected to the correct one because this redirect is left behind. If we delete it, all of those links break. We can fix that, but we can't fix external websites that link to the wrong name, and they should be redirected. Ivanvector (talk) 18:29, 17 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per Paine Ellsworth. My mistake again. Ivanvector (talk) 19:16, 18 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. The "historic" redirect to keep so as not to break links would be Bommalapuram. The nom moved that page title to an incorrect name, and then corrected it by a 2nd page move, so this redirect can be deleted. In the future, a speedy delete tag, e.g., {{db-redirtypo}} or {{db-author}}, may be used in such cases. It is also okay to withdraw this nomination and apply the speedy delete tag. – Paine Ellsworth CLIMAX! 18:32, 18 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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