Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2011 July 24

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was keep. Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 21:58, 4 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Tetsuya Ogawa → Tetsuya (musician) (links to redirect • history • stats) 

Deletion. No reliable sources state that this is his legal name, thus it violates WP:BLP. Xfansd (talk) 16:30, 24 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - his name is confirmed here. Bridgeplayer (talk) 16:51, 24 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I question the reliability of allmusic's bios. For example the consensus about IMDB is that they are reliable for production details on movies, but their bios are not. I think allmusic would also fall into that, but for music. Xfansd (talk) 00:23, 25 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The issue with IMDb is that much of the material is from user contributions without a sound fact checking system. AllMusic bios, OTOH, are overseen by an editorial board. I would add that the existence of a redirect does not mean that we endorse the term, in this case as the person's real name - see also WP:RNEUTRAL. Redirects, by their nature, are unsourced. They are not articles but simply search aids. Once a person reaches an article it is the job of the article to clarify the facts. Bridgeplayer (talk) 01:09, 25 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was Keep --Taelus (talk) 08:33, 1 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Template:University rationale → Template:School rationale (links to redirect • history • stats) 

Unused redirect Sfan00 IMG (talk) 14:40, 24 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - the purpose of redirect is to allow coding such as {{Subst:University rationale|University of Somewhere}} which produces the templates shown here. In other words, the redirect is useful, even if it isn't being used at the moment.PhilKnight (talk) 18:33, 24 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was delete Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 20:32, 4 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Jon Glassman → James K. Glassman (links to redirect • history • stats) 

Erroneous redirect. See Jon D. Glassman below. •••Life of Riley (T–C) 16:15, 24 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete as misleading. Bridgeplayer (talk) 16:44, 24 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was no consensus - no prejudice against article creation. Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 21:54, 4 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Oliver Sykes → Bring Me the Horizon (links to redirect • history • stats) 

Create Page. Their has been several deletes based on lack of reliable sources but the if properly written and well researched may be worth keeping. As for notability he is in a now prominant british metal band, owns a successful clothing label and guest features on a few different band's albums. Jonjonjohny (talk) 18:49, 24 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. Then allow for someone to create a page if they wish. VampireKilla (talk) 20:38, 24 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - as a redirect to a page with useful information on the subject. If he is separately notable that's fine; perhaps the nominator could just write an article? A redirect is no bar to the creation of an article but, meanwhile, there is no reason to delete a useful redirect. Bridgeplayer (talk) 22:05, 24 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. An article can still be created, it doesn't require deletion of the redirect, but an unsourced or poorly sourced article would probably be redirected. this version has a few references, but most are not reliable, independent sources - it looks like only one of them - about an album by the band - meets the requirements, and that is only suitable to establish notability of the band. Peter E. James (talk) 21:55, 25 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, but that was a while ago, it's likely that new sources have appeared and if properly maintained it should be a reliable and useful article (especially as some of the stuff that has been put into the BMTH article is only about Oli and could be put into the article). Matt Tuck has his own article for similar reasons and he hasn't really done as much that's separate from his band, and is of similar stature. VampireKilla (talk) 19:41, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

If you can find suitable references, they can be cited, but the article about Matt Tuck is unreferenced and proposed for deletion, and further attempts to recreate the Oliver Sykes article without suitable references may result in protection of the redirect. Peter E. James (talk) 19:51, 28 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Well then I'm sure an adequate amount of sources can be found. The rest of BFMV's members have safe pages with sources so perhaps they're a better example of what could be done to the Sykes page. VampireKilla (talk) 11:43, 29 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]