Wikipedia:Requested moves/Current discussions

Shortcuts
  • WP:RMC
  • WP:RM/C
  • WP:RMCD
This page lists all requests filed or identified as potentially controversial which are currently under discussion.

This list is also available in a page-link-first format and in table format. 72 discussions have been relisted.

May 25, 2024

  • (Discuss) – Protestant Church in Germany → Evangelical Church in Germany – Both terms (in English) are used by the EKD itself, but Evangelical is the more common, more accurate term. Etymologically, evangelical/evangelische refers to the gospel (εὐαγγέλιον), while Protestant refers to the Protestation at Speyer. It is not true that "Evangelical" is the former name (see EKD en homepage), and it is also untrue that the term "Evangelical" strictly or primarily refers to the Evangelical/Mainline divide among American denominations. The onus must be on those preferring "Protestant" to demonstrate such a shift in meaning, and I do not feel that prior discussion participants have succeeded. If we are worried that the reader would make this false association, it could easily be cleared up in the body of the article. Survey of use: Ngram, World Council of Churches, Britannica. The lead could read, for example: "the Evangelical Church in Germany, (also called the Protestant Church in Germany)" Dirkwillems (talk) 17:10, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Words of estimative probability → Verbal probability – Given that this has been here for a decade and a half now, I didn't want to move it unilaterally without giving people a chance to object beforehand, but verbal probability seems to be a much more concise way of defining the same topic, see for example a PLOS article.[1] I don't think "words of estimative probability" is used that much more often in literature, for all that Kent used it in their 1962 work, from what I can see, it's actually the other way around, even though we do have some that use it like van Tiel et al.[2] Of course, most literature does seem to tack on "word" or "phrase" or "expression" or something else like that, but they also seem to drop it easily enough when concision is desired, so I don't think it's necessary for our title here. I suppose probability phrase is another plausible alternate title if we want to stick to proper grammar, and it does seem to see some use in RS as well, but it seems overall less common, which is why I've opted for "verbal probability" instead. Should probably be a redirect though! Alpha3031 (t • c) 15:00, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Tungipara Sheikh family → Family of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman – The current name of the article is Tungipara Sheikh family which is WP:OR. The name is originated from original research and no historical book or news article call this family by Tungipara Sheikh Family. This family, unlike Suhrawardy family, wasn’t part of publication or scholarly research before the creation of Bangladesh and before Sheikh Mujibur Rahman and that's why people didn’t give any specific name for the family of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman. There are many books and research papers mention the family as "Family of Bangabandhu" or "Family of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman". Bangabandhu is his title so it is reasonable to name this article Family of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman. There are sources to verify my claim. For example, see this article where it says "8 Bangabandhu family members, relatives to contest polls". The Daily Star states "Bangabandhu family to get more security, free utility, foreign treatment" (see here). Now some sources also call this family as Sheikh family. See this Bengali source where it says in title "শেখ পরিবার থেকে নেতৃত্বে যারা" (lit. 'Those led from the Sheikh family'), but if you read the content then you will get "...দশম জাতীয় সংসদে বঙ্গবন্ধু পরিবারের সাত সদস্য ছিলেন। একাদশ জাতীয় সংসদ নির্বাচনে অংশ নেওয়া বঙ্গবন্ধু শেখ মুজিবুর রহমানের পরিবারের ৯ সদস্যই প্রতিনিধিত্ব করছেন.." (lit. '...There were seven members of the Bangabandhu family in the 10th National Parliament. 9 members of the family of Bangabandhu Sheikh Mujibur Rahman who participated in the 11th National Parliament election are represented...'). Now the question is if the nine members are really from the direct bloodline of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman or not. * Sheikh Hasina : Daughter of Mujib * Sheikh Selim : Son of Mujib's sister * Sheikh Fazle Noor Taposh : Son of Mujib's nephew * Sheikh Helal Uddin : Son of Mujib's brother * Noor-E-Alam Chowdhury Liton : Son of Hasina's cousins * Abul Hasanat Abdullah : Son of Mujib's brother-in-law * Sheikh Tonmoy son of Hasina's cousin * Sheikh Salahuddin Jewel : Son of Mujib's younger brother. * Mujibur Rahman Chowdhury : Son of Hasina's cousins. So it is not important if they are directly from Mujib's bloodline or not, the sources still call the family as Mujib's family and that family includes relatives and even distant relatives of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman. Naming this family as Sheikh family or Sheikh–Wazed family or Sheikh–Kazi family is original research, and we should name it as Family of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman because we know the family because Sheikh Mujibur Rahman, father of the nation, came from the family. And the most important fact is reliable sources call the family by the family of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman. Mehedi Abedin 05:58, 18 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. ToadetteEdit! 14:40, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Iṣṭa-devatā (Hinduism) → Ishtadevata – As WP:ONEOTHER, the Sanskrit term Ishtadevata (IAST: Iṣṭa-devatā) is primarily used in Hinduism vis-a-vis Buddhism where Yidam (from Tibetan) is the popular term (ishtadevata is a ceremonial Sanskrit term). The following generic religion encyclopedias define the term in the Hindu context * An_Introductory_Dictionary_of_Theology p. 651 [1] * Encyclopedia of Love in World Religions:Page 301 - Yudit Kornberg Greenberg · 2007 * Encyclopedia of Spirits and Ghosts in World Mythology - Page 44 (under Devata entry) Theresa Bane · 2016 * The Encyclopedia of Yoga and Tantra - Page 352 Georg Feuerstein · 2022 Encyclopedia of Hinduism - Page 203 - Constance Jones, James D. Ryan · 2006: "Ishta devata (desired divinity) is an important concept in theistic Hinduism." - illustrates its importance in Hinduism Redtigerxyz Talk 14:23, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Ishtadevata → Ishtadevata (disambiguation) over redirect without leaving a redirect (implied), then WP:G14 delete if unnecessary
  • (Discuss) – Wesley Gassova → Wesley (footballer, born 2005) – Per WP:COMMONAME. There are no quotes in the Brazilian sports media using the player's surname (examples [2], [3]), who on personal Instagram uses the surname Teixeira [4] Svartner (talk) 08:28, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – The Dong-a Ilbo → The Dong-A Ilbo – Matching capitalization the company officially uses, per here. It's not clear to me that there's a strong contender for a WP:COMMONNAME via this ngram, so defaulting to the official spelling. 104.232.119.107 (talk) 07:33, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Genocide of Indigenous peoples → Genocide of indigenous peoples – "Indigenous" is only a proper name when adopted as conventional for a particular ethnic group, and when applied to the specific groups who have done so. As a general, global adjective it is not and cannot be a proper name (any more than the opposite, "colonial"), so should not be capitalized. See in particular the lead paragraph of MOS:CAPS: WP does not capitalize that which is not capitalized consistently across nearly all independent reliable sources, and "indigenous peoples" is not so capitalized (indeed, it is overwhelmingly lowercase [5][6], except in highly retrictive contexts that refer to specific populations who have adopted the term self-referentially as a name in English). This same situation is true of all such terms such as "native" and "aboriginal". "Aboriginal" is capitalized in reference to native Australians, and "Native" is capitalized in "Native Americans" in reference to the aboribinal peoples of what is now the US and sometimes (in American usage) all of the Americas. But "native" is not capitalized (by the preponderance of modern reliable sources) in reference to Australians, nor "aboriginal" in reference to Americans, and neither is capitalized in "the native (aboriginal) peoples and languages of Siberia and Central Asia before the Soviet Union", etc. PS: There may be other over-capitalized articles of this sort, but perhaps take them one at a time, since some might pertain more narrowly to groups that have taken on "Indigenous" as a self-referential name/label.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  04:42, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Four senses of Scripture → Four senses of Scripture (Christianity) – The article is primarily focused on the four senses that Christians use when interpreting scripture. There is a separate page for the parallel Jewish practice (see Pardes (Jewish exegesis)) so I think this article should just be the Christian version and its name should reflect that. Maybe this article could be moved to Four senses of Scripture (Christianity), and the current name Four senses of Scripture could be changed into a disambiguation page. 2601:49:8400:26B:7D04:C827:8A9C:D6FB (talk) 02:09, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Flybe → Flybe (2022–2023) – A previous RM in February 2023 immediately after the airline was grounded was not successful on the basis of WP:TOOSOON. Over a year later, it is now clear that the airline is not going to resume operations. If there is a WP:PRIMARY, it would be the the airline that traded for 30 years, Flybe (1979-2020), not this one that traded for 9 months. Propose that this article be renamed Flybe (2022–2023) and Flybe become a disambiguation page. Gleeesqu (talk) 00:01, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

May 24, 2024

  • (Discuss) – Intégrale : Institut d'enseignement supérieur privé → Intégrale – or Intégrale prépa or Intégrale (cram school) or Intégrale (college entrance exam preparation school). The suffix of the title seems like more of a tagline or synonym than part of the institution's common name, and is especially unhelpful in English. It also seems improperly punctuated. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 12:16, 17 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 22:53, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Çorum F.K. → Çorum FK – More popular as the club refers to itself as such. So does the TFF EpicAdventurer (talk) 22:46, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Juozapas Albinas Herbačiauskas → Józef Albin Herbaczewski – Most of his works are written in Polish, and are signed "Józef Albin Herbaczewski". His Lithuanian works are signed as either "[Jouzapas Herbačevskis https://polona2.pl/item/kur-eini-lietuvi,MTExNjk4ODM1/4/#info:metadata]" or "[Jouzapas Gerbačauskis https://polona2.pl/item/erskeciu-vainikas,OTgwODA4NjA/8/#info:metadata]", not Juozapas Albinas Herbačiauskas. Marcelus (talk) 20:16, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – AFC President's Cup → AFC Challenge League – The Asian Football Confederation confirmed on its official website today that the AFC President's Cup has been rebranded as AFC Challenge League, and that the records and statistics of the AFC President's Cup will be carried forward to the AFC Challenge League. See here. Hence, the AFC President's Cup page should be moved to "AFC Challenge League". Hashim-afc (talk) 19:47, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – AFC Cup → AFC Champions League Two – The Asian Football Confederation confirmed on its official website today that the AFC Cup has been rebranded as AFC Champions League Two, and that the records and statistics of the AFC Cup will be carried forward to the AFC Champions League Two. See here. Hence, the AFC Cup page should be moved to "AFC Champions League Two". Hashim-afc (talk) 19:44, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Charles I, Cardinal de Bourbon → Charles I de Bourbon (archbishop of Rouen) – There is a lot of intersection between the names Charles, the house of Bourbon and the title of cardinal. See Cardinal of Bourbon and Charles de Bourbon. The current title is confusing because this fellow was not the first cardinal of the House of Bourbon named Charles. He was the first Charles to be archbishop of Rouen. The title I propose follows the French Wikipedia. Srnec (talk) 22:47, 2 March 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Natg 19 (talk) 17:17, 27 March 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. BD2412 T 17:42, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Thunderbolts (film) → Thunderbolts* – The official title for this film is Thunderbolts*, with the asterisk, as confirmed by Feige's announcement which is sourced in the article. It is not just marketing sylisation. While it is too early to confirm whether this or Thunderbolts is the WP:COMMONNAME, some news sources have been including the asterisk since the announcement and we can't rule out use increasing once marketing begins properly. More importantly, the asterisk provides WP:NATURAL disambiguation from Thunderbolts (which is a redirect to Thunderbolt) and Thunderbolts (comics). - adamstom97 (talk) 12:42, 17 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. BD2412 T 17:41, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Doctor of Philosophy → PhD – Per WP:COMMONNAME the abreviated form without dots is the most common in ngrams, more than twice as common as "Ph.D." and much more common than the full name, which doesn't seem to be very widely used in comparison ([7]). The proposed term is also more common in google scholar, with 18k results since 2010 ([8]), compared to less than 17k for "Ph.D." ([9]) and less than 8k for "Doctor of Philosophy" ([10]). Vpab15 (talk) 16:03, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Decocidio → 2010 European Climate Exchange defacement – Nothing notable other than European Climate Exchange defacement 2010 Changeworld1984 (talk) 13:47, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Fortunate → Fortunate (song) – I don't think this particular song is what most people of when they hear "fortunate". Most likely they are looking for the general concept of being fortunate. We already have a dab for this word, so - even though this article gets most of the pageviews! - I think it would be better to move the dab to the base title. Duckmather (talk) 02:50, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

May 23, 2024

  • (Discuss) – Striped beakfish → Barred knifejaw – FishBase uses "barred knifejaw," as does the USGS, NOAA, iNaturalist, even the Animal Crossing franchise's English localizations. Justification for @Delirium's move from "Barred knifejaw" to "Striped beakfish" back in 2006 was that the latter was used in FishBase, ITIS, and "most other references" - while ITIS still does (likely because Wikipedia does), the only ref cited in the article that uses "striped beakfish" is [3], which is dead. [1] uses the scientific name, but ⅔ of its own references use "barred knifejaw" - the remainder uses the Latin name, and not "striped beakfish." Every related species with a page on Wikipedia has their vernacular name given as "_____ knifejaw," as well as the genus and family as a whole. Google Scholar shows only one paper that uses "striped beakfish" in the title, compared to 14 which use "barred knifejaw" in the title. All of this despite Wikipedia naming this article "striped beakfish" for nearly 20 years. Maybe we're the ones who are out of touch. — Kodiak Blackjack (talk) • (contribs) 22:53, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Sports Direct Ireland → Heatons – This page was recently moved from Heatons to Sports Direct Ireland without any discussion. The entire content of the article relates to the former Heatons department store business, rather than the Sports Direct sports business that bought it out. Further, I can't find any instance of a "Sports Direct Ireland" brand - Heatons was simply closed and its shops were reopened as Sports Direct. Gatepainter (talk) 22:49, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Armenian alphabet → Armenian script – This article encompasses more than just the alphabet; it covers the entire script. The alphabet is merely one part of it. I noticed that a move was already requested. Previously, the main argument against this was that the Armenian script is used exclusively for the Armenian language. However, similar articles about native Caucasian scripts are titled Caucasian Albanian script and Georgian scripts, even though they are predominantly used for a single language as well. Moreover, the Armenian script has occasionally been used for other languages, as exemplified by the Armeno-Turkish alphabet and the relevant section in this article. Therefore, to ensure consistency, I propose the move. Aldij (talk) 13:54, 8 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.  ASUKITE 17:34, 16 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal (talk) 22:30, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Who Killed...... The Zutons? → Who Killed the Zutons? – or Who Killed the Zutons (without the question mark) – or Who Killed ... the Zutons? – or Who Killed ... the Zutons (without the question mark). This is the only article title I can find on Wikipedia that includes more than five consecutive dots in its title (and I found only four that have five consecutive dots). That's a rather strange form, and it is not supported consistently in the cited sources. Although the album cover does include six dots, most of the cited sources appear to just use "Who Killed the Zutons?" (or "Who Killed The Zutons?", which Wikipedia would not do), with or without the question mark at the end. Some use an ordinary three-dot ellipsis (with or without spaces around the ellipsis). Also, as pointed out in 2012 by nagualdesign, the album cover and many sources omit the question mark. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 18:11, 8 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.  ASUKITE 20:22, 16 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal (talk) 22:30, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – American major traditional television networks → ? – This page has been recently moved a bit, without any explanation or reason, from its original stable title, Big Three (American television). I assume it was because the name "Big Three" is more or less an informal term, and therefore the original page mover wanted to have a more descriptive title instead. I tried to make it less ambiguous and subjective. The subjective part in my disagreement in one of the page moves was in regards to the Fox Broadcasting Company, and whether it should also be considered "major" while the other three networks are more "major traditional". But instead of possibly getting into another move war, I'm opening this RM to the community for suggestions. Thanks. Zzyzx11 (talk) 20:33, 16 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal (talk) 22:29, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Cassoeula → Cassœula – see: https://www.cucchiaio.it/ricetta/ricetta-casoeula/; https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cass%C5%93ula. JacktheBrown (talk) 09:30, 11 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 21:18, 16 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal (talk) 22:29, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Intellivision Amico → Amico (console) – In light of the announcement that Atari SA has acquired the Intellivision brand and historic game library, this vaporware console and the company behind it are no longer going to carry the Intellivision branding, meaning the title needs to be updated. oknazevad (talk) 17:27, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Sapphic → Sapphic (disambiguation) – Now, sapphism already exists and explains the meaning of sapphic as the primary topic, as it's directly derived from Sappho. I propose renaming it and retargeting Sapphic to sapphism. --MikutoH talk! 21:14, 2 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal (talk) 02:05, 13 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal (talk) 17:22, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Welsh Language Society → Cymdeithas yr Iaith – Cymdeithas yr Iaith is the common name for the organisation in both Welsh and English. "Welsh Language Society" is very rarely used on its own in the media and not by the organisation itself. This is similar to Urdd Gobaith Cymru where the Welsh name is better known and more familiar than the English version of the name. The Guardian, for general UK readers, uses "Cymdeithas yr Iaith" predominantly using ("the Welsh language society" or "The Welsh Language Society" as clarifications) https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/jan/26/man-in-welsh-language-parking-penalty-battle-claims-company-harassed-him https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/dec/11/welsh-language-speakers-census-carmathenshire https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/mar/06/i-was-lucky-the-asylum-seeker-campaigning-for-others-to-learn-welsh The BBC uses Cymdeithas yr Iaith and sometimes clarifies with the english translation https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-67065122 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czvjj8n11pxo When Alun Davies said in 2017 "I'm not here to please the Welsh Language Society" the BBC translated that into Cymdeithas yr Iaith Gymraeg in their headline suggesting that this is the commonly understood name for the organisation. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-wales-politics-40878620 Wales Online uses Cymdeithas yr Iaith without translation https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/man-who-refused-pay-english-29164226 https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/cymdeithas-denies-terrorist-tag-2431233 Telegraph uses Cymdeithas yr Iaith without a translation https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/03/05/welsh-pub-boycott-calls-rebrand-english-name/ The national archives use "Cymdeithas yr Iaith (The Welsh Languaage Society). https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/c/F123638 An Open University article clarifies "Cymdeithas yr Iaith" with (Welsh Language society) but then uses Cymdeithas or Cymdeithas yr Iaith throughout. https://www.open.edu/openlearn/society-politics-law/sociology/contemporary-wales/content-section-6.2.1 Welsh gov uses Cymdeithas yr Iaith in English https://www.digitalcommunities.gov.wales/blog/welsh-on-the-web-our-responsibility-to-create-welsh-language-content-and-platforms/ Morwennol (talk) 10:55, 14 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal (talk) 17:06, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Attempted assassination of Fumio Kishida → Attack on Fumio Kishida – Moving the article to the current title was jumping to ungrounded conclusions, and as such shouldn't happen here. The requested title was the one associated with the article during 4 months the previous year. Now it is a redirect page with more edits in the history, so I cannot move it back. More description of the reason behind the move here requested was done on the talk page by the user User:Yue IHaveBecauseOfLocks (talk) 14:33, 15 May 2024 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (permalink). Remsense诉 14:37, 15 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal (talk) 17:05, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Three-dimensional electrical capacitance tomography → Electrical capacitance volume tomography – This page was originally titled "Electrical capacitance volume tomography" and was recently moved to a page called "Three-dimensional electrical capacitance tomography". These two terms are not the same. The latter is a broader term as shown in the wikipedia article edit on 5/14/24 in the introduction section. References are given for the distinction between terms. When the page was moved to the new term, it stated that the term ECVT is not widely used. However, in the later 5/14/24 edit of the introduction, citations are given for the term being used in China, Indonesia, and three different research groups in the USA. It is suggested that this page return to "Electrical capacitance volume tomography". A separate page should be made for "Three-dimensional electrical capacitance tomography", if desired, as it is a distinct term that can include stacking of 2D tomographs whereas ECVT does not. Marashdeh (talk) 15:28, 14 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal (talk) 17:05, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Laufey → Laufey (disambiguation) – The article was recently moved from Laufey to Laufey (mythology) based on really weak and imo insufficient support. The name stems from the mythological goddess and should not be portrayed as anything lesser. The singer which launched the discussion is named after the goddess. I'm requesting to revert the move since i didn't get to discuss it. Blockhaj (talk) 04:14, 16 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal (talk) 16:54, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – 4EVER 400 → NASCAR Cup Series race at Homestead-Miami Speedway – To match other cup series races page renames MysticCipher87 (talk) 14:30, 9 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Bensci54 (talk) 16:26, 16 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal (talk) 16:50, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – + + (EP) → (+ +) – Alternative, less-restricted titles. The titles for these EPs do not seem to be simple stylizations. For [#], the parentheses would substitute the brackets (as above), and either the number sign is substituted with its pronunciation as (Hash) (similar to <---> and "#9 Dream") or the number sign is substituted with the sharp symbol as (♯) (similar to #P and "Rainy Day Women #12 & 35"). JohnCWiesenthal (talk) 21:52, 15 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal (talk) 16:05, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Pallar → Devendrakula Velalar – Parliament Passes Bill To Classify 7 Scheduled Caste Groups Of Tamil Nadu As 'Devendrakula Velalars', having a page as pallar to refer as devendrakula Velalar is not right. It’s better to move this page as Devendrakula Velalar as it comprises 7 subcastes. The Indian Government parliament ammendment has been given for viewing where pallar and others 6 subcastes don’t exist in the government records. [11] [12] [13] [14] [15] [16] [17] Page I want to move it to is currently a redirect. worldgiant (talk) 04:39, 15 May 2024 (UTC)— Relisting. >>> Extorc.talk 09:39, 23 May 2024 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (permalink). Worldgiant (talk) 04:54, 16 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal (talk) 16:04, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Downtown Rail Extension → The Portal (San Francisco) – The Transbay Joint Powers Authority, the authority behind the project, has officially renamed the project "The Portal" back in October 2022, with news agencies now referring to the project as such. OrdinaryScarlett (talk) 08:26, 16 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal (talk) 16:03, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Culture of Ukraine → Ukrainian culture – No sources in the article are talking about "Culture of Ukraine" but of "Ukrainian culture" as well as article content. ManyAreasExpert (talk) 19:42, 15 May 2024 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (permalink). --Ahecht (TALK[reply]
    PAGE    )     13:32, 16 May 2024 (UTC)     — Relisting. BilledMammal (talk) 16:02, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Caliber conversion sleeve → Caliber conversion – Since there are several different methods of caliber conversion covered in this article, and it doesn't actually get to the caliber conversion sleeve until the third section, I am proposing a move and rescope to the general concept of converting calibers. This will also mean a merge of anything suitable from the newly created caliber change (which I feel is a useful redirect, but conversion seems significantly more common). Alpha3031 (t • c) 12:36, 15 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.  ASUKITE 15:43, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – List of foreign brand vehicles developed and manufactured by automobile companies of China → ? – The current title is... a bit of a mouthful, and I think we could drop a few words fairly easily, but I'm not sure how to achieve the best possible WP:CONCISE, so throwing it to a mostly unconstrained discussion here. I think we can drop "developed and" fairly easily, I don't think there's a strong reason to limit the scope that way. For the rest of the second half though, I'm not sure if we can shorten it further, even though I'd like to if possible. For the same length, I think "automotive companies" instead of "automobile companies" is a little more natural. Alternatively, if we want to align with List of automobile manufacturers of China (for consistency), maybe a shorter verb ("made" maybe?) could be used. It might also be possible to drop "vehicles" from the title, though I'm less sure if that is appropriate. So, I think my best would be List of foreign brand vehicles made by automobile manufacturers of China or List of foreign brands made by automobile manufacturers of China. Other suggestions would definitely be appreciated! Alpha3031 (t • c) 14:06, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Murders of Tylee Ryan and J. J. Vallow → Vallow-Daybell doomsday murders – The current title refers to only two victims which implies a narrower scope than is actually covered by this article. Since there is no clear COMMONNAME for this topic, per Wikipedia:Article_titles#Descriptive_title we must use a descriptive title of our own conception. With this proposed title we strive to meet WP:CRITERIA as best as we can, choosing one that would be very WP:RECOGNIZABLE to anyone familiar with the topic, and is more WP:PRECISE because it is not hampered by scope limitations like the current title is. В²C ☎ 05:17, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Northrop Grumman E-2 Hawkeye → Grumman E-2 Hawkeye – (edited from:Grumman E-2) – Why does Northrop Grumman, a corporation formed in 1994, get credit for an aircraft that first flew in 1960? Rename per WP:AIR/NC. Jane's All the World's Aircraft 1992–93 Schierbecker (talk) 01:25, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

May 22, 2024

  • (Discuss) – George Floyd protests in Minneapolis–Saint Paul → 2020 Minneapolis–Saint Paul riots – The reason why I want to move this page to this title is because there's already a page called George Floyd protests, and George Floyd protests in Minnesota. Plus, some of the information on this page is linked to the three day period of rioting that took place between May 27–30 of 2020. This article also talks about arson damage which wasn't caused by the peaceful demonstrations, as well as photos showing scenes of destruction. The title saying "protests" is the part I disagree with, because in my view, a riot is not a protest. So that is why I am requesting this page to be moved. SpringField23402 (talk) 23:45, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Sloboda → Sloboda (settlement) – This word means "freedom" in the original Slavic languages, and while there is a significant usage in Russian and Ukrainian history as well as some usage in modern-day Russian administrative divisions, described at this presumed primary topic, its usage and long-term significance does not actually overshadow the ambiguity over the other uses of the word for the average English reader. In preparation for this move, I went through the list of ~200 incoming links to preemptively disambiguate them. The usage is typically clerical, to explain the strange term, which is most commonly placed in italics. This indicates that the fact that the explanation was directly at "sloboda" was a very easy way to get the etymological explanation. However, that's a possible description of editor behavior, which is not necessarily the reader behavior (WP:RF). It should also be noted that Russian toponymy lists are quite weird from the perspective of a navigation purpose for set indices, with an apparent habit of linking these kinds of terms contrary to what MOS:DABONE would advise. It's not that I'm opposed to having a link somewhere in such a set index to explain the term, but the volume of this skews the statistics. After going through the list, I was left with 19 links (~10%) where I couldn't identify a clear connection to this particular subject. Mostly they seemed to be generic references to the Slavic word for "freedom". This also extended to Russian topics. Some were references to specific places named Sloboda, not the concept. I had also disambiguated numerous others by linking Foobar Svoboda instead of keeping a largely useless partial link (sadly I didn't keep a count of these to be able to note the percentage). A search in Google Books for me does not identify this meaning to be primary - I get more references to people named this way. Likewise for Google Scholar. I don't have reason to believe that this would differ for the average English reader. WikiNav for Sloboda and meta:Research:Wikipedia clickstream archive indicate that the hatnote is consistently one of the most commonly clicked links on the page - even in months where we see a larger readership, it's still among the most commonly clicked links (for example in March '24, with 162 clickstreams to 9 identified destinations, the hatnote was #3 with 17). This is typically indicative of a navigation issue. Another editor reverted the initial preparatory move, thinking this broke links (it did not) and saying this changes a 'long established' status quo - I don't see an actual rationale there. Just because this grew organically as is - doesn't mean it's not subject to evaluation and adjustment. In addition, similar terms like svoboda and swoboda are not short-circuiting here and are indeed disambiguated, so this change would seem to make things more consistent. Joy (talk) 23:14, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Anti-Normanism → Normanism – The article starts with "Anti-Normanism is an opposition to Normanism, the mainstream narrative..." I find it weird that the mainstream theory of Normanism is but a section inside the fringe theory. The article must be moved and reshuffled upside down. - Altenmann >talk 19:33, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Sino-Xenic pronunciations → Sino-Xenic vocabulary – This article would seem mighty shallow if it were merely about phonology, surely it's also about the morphemes in the context of the sinographosphere? Remsense诉 14:40, 14 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.  ASUKITE 16:11, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Harvest of Empire: A History of Latinos in America → Harvest of Empire: The Untold Story of Latinos in America – Although the film (the subject of the article) is based on a book called Harvest of Empire: A History of Latinos in America, the official title of the film is Harvest of Empire: The Untold Story of Latinos in America. Sources are amazon.com, democracynow.org, twn.org, and washingtonpost.com (archive). フランベ (talk) 11:38, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Death of Benito Mussolini → Killing of Benito Mussolini – "Death of" is usually reserved for cases where either the cause of death is unknown/disputed or the person died of natural causes (WP:DEATHS). Surely "killing" is more appropriate. TRCRF22 (talk) 18:52, 6 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. SilverLocust 💬 00:13, 15 May 2024 (UTC)— Relisting. >>> Extorc.talk 09:09, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Laal maans → Laal maas – As per virtually all pages outside of Wikipedia and sites that copy from here, this dish is spelled as Laal Maas not Laal Maans. For further reasoning, it's already listed on the Wiktionary as laal maas without the N. Example articles with the correct spelling include from India Today and ND TV News among many, many others. KoRoBeNiKi Medical Coder, chess specialist, retired SSBWiki rollback, hi? 06:02, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – 1988 executions of Iranian political prisoners → 1988 Iran prison massacre – Massacre is the WP:COMMONNAME by academics, journalists, and by human rights organizations, more than 30 years after the event, with plenty of time for the dust to settle on a name. It's also a WP:EUPHEMISM for an event in which up to 30,000 people were killed for apparently their political views, in what Amnesty International described as crimes against humanity in 2018. See Amnesty International, Abdorrahman Boroumand Center, Human Rights Watch, Geneva International Centre for Justice, BBC, France24, UPI, group of senior United Nations officials and Nobel prize winners, Telegraph; scholar Nasser Mohajer, report of the inquiry by academic Geoffrey Robertson, scholar Reza Afshari; more than enough WP:RS. Longhornsg (talk) 03:57, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

May 21, 2024

  • (Discuss) – Master's University → The Master's University – the page was moved by @Cfls: with edit summary "Make shorter (WP:CONCISE, WP:PRECISE)"; however the school is almost exclusively referred to as "The Master's University", not "Master's University" Joeykai (talk) 23:33, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Shia–Sunni relations → Sunni–Shia divide – Common name and description, attributed to multiple sources.[3][4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11][12][13][14][15][16][17][18][19][20] I will highlight that it is not a mere debate, but a disagreement that has come with conflict and violence. We should align its naming on Wikipedia with how it is described. Completely Random Guy (talk) 15:46, 21 May 2024 (UTC) Completely Random Guy (talk) 15:46, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Canning, Liverpool → Georgian Quarter, Liverpool – Georgian Quarter already redirects here and seems to be the more notable name for this neighbourhood. Most references to Canning refer to the electoral ward. The first reference on this article does not include the word Canning at all, instead uses Georgian Quarter. "The area's boundaries have been formalised by both Liverpool City Council and Merseyside Police" is misleading, the police have demarked an area for operational purposes and the council, when not talking about the electoral ward, use "The Canning Georgian Residential Quarter" in this reference. To expand this article would require using more references that refer only to Georgian Quarter and not Canning (example). There are Georgian Quarters in other cities (Dublin, Edinburgh, Limerick) so the full title is needed. Orange sticker (talk) 11:30, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – R. Budd Dwyer → Budd Dwyer – WP:COMMONNAME, Google Trends data shows that the term "Budd Dwyer" is overwhelmingly searched more than "R. Budd Dwyer". (https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=R.%20Budd%20Dwyer,Budd%20Dwyer&hl=en-US) Additionally, this seems to be the name most people, in the media and otherwise, addressed and addresses him as. MountainDew20 (talk) 09:50, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Komsomolskyi → Dubove, Dovzhansk Raion, Luhansk Oblast – Due to the modern name of the settlement, since 2016. See: https://zakon.rada.gov.ua/laws/show/1351-19#Text Yuriy Kvach (talk) 09:40, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Volodarsk, Ukraine → Vedmezhe – Due to the modern name of the settlement, since 2016. See: https://zakon.rada.gov.ua/laws/show/1351-19#Text Yuriy Kvach (talk) 09:19, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – I Am... (Beyoncé tour) → I Am... World Tour – This request is to restore the former name of the page. The previous move was closed under a quintaessential example of why supervoting is inappropriate and why Wikipedia is built upon consensus and not a polling democracy. The argument provided by the closer, @BilledMammal:, reads as follows: Consensus to move per WP:PRECISION; the current title is ambiguous. Ambiguity was never a reason provided for the move by itself; the argument was "There are multiple albums by multiple artists called I Am which could be easily confused as being the subject of this tour", which is not a valid argument to move a page. The tour is not a subsection of an album to argue such thing. Furthermore, being ambiguous is not a reason to move pages mainly because the titling criteria is not a set of imposed rules. The closing didn't address the arguments provided by either side and it never explained where the consensus arised. Additionally, it was never demonstrated that the official name is the WP:COMMONAME, why we should follow an WP:OFFICIALNAME, why WP:SMALLDETAILS is not applicable, why WP:NATURAL is not applicable, and since the page was moved and the redirects corrected, exactly where is the ambiguity in the title, since the Lewis tour has not improved its views caused by the alleged ambiguity. (CC) Tbhotch™ 01:49, 16 April 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. – robertsky (talk) 06:00, 24 April 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal (talk) 02:47, 13 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 06:26, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – The Color of Crime (book) → The Color of Crime: Racial Hoaxes, White Fear, Black Protectionism, Police Harassment and Other Macroaggressions – Per WP:SUBTITLE. JohnCWiesenthal (talk) 04:33, 14 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal (talk) 04:38, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Trisha (actress) → Trisha Krishnan – Trisha Krishnan's name follows the Indian patronymic naming convention, where 'Krishnan' is her father's given name. It's not a mononyme. Anoop Bhatia (talk) 19:57, 20 May 2024 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anoop Bhatia (talk) 03:45, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – HP Inc. → HP – Primary topic. Probably half of the links on HP (disambiguation) are rarely, if ever, referred to as "HP" — most of the articles don't mention "HP" in the lead — and should probably be removed from the list anyway per WP:DABACRONYM. The most notable entries that are commonly referred to as "HP" are HP Inc. and its predecessor, Hewlett-Packard, the latter of which was commonly referred to by its full name and is therefore naturally disambiguated. Pageviews show Harry Potter with a sizable lead (unsurprising, but no evidence suggests "HP" is commonly used to mean "Harry Potter"), followed by several similar cases before HP. Horsepower is an interesting case, as it's arguably equally notable in terms of long-term significance, but WP:DIFFCAPS comes into play. Plenty of other two-letter companies are undisambiguated or redirect to the company's article, e.g. LG, GE, BP, EA, GQ, VW, QQ, 3M, etc. InfiniteNexus (talk) 23:37, 13 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal (talk) 02:59, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • HP → HP (disambiguation) over redirect without leaving a redirect (implied), then WP:G14 delete if unnecessary
  • (Discuss) – Inter-Bosniak War → Inter-Bosnian Muslim War – People in Western Bosnia did not accept the Bosniak label, thus, the page should be moved back to Inter-Bosnian Muslim War. Governor Sheng (talk) 17:27, 13 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal (talk) 01:42, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – 2023 Bud Light boycott → Bud Light boycott – Remove the date. There is no other notable Bud Light boycott in history, and the current one has continued into 2024.[20][21] TarkusABtalk/contrib 17:33, 13 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal (talk) 01:41, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Gentex (automotive manufacturer) → Gentex (automotive supplier) – Despite the title being "automotive" and not "automobile," the current title implies, at least at first glance, that Gentex is an automaker and not a maker of components. I believe "supplier" is clearer and aligns with typical usage in the industry. Sable232 (talk) 01:15, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Shinhanchon → Sinhanch'on – I'm the page creator (toobigtokale aka Renamed user blah blah), and made a mistake when titling the article. This new proposed spelling abides by McCune–Reischauer romanization of Korean. I don't have a sense that there is a clear WP:COMMONNAME in English, so just defaulting to MR. 104.232.119.107 (talk) 00:29, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – March 1st Movement → March First Movement – This spelling appears to be the WP:COMMONNAME, per this ngram. Matches what I'm seeing in Google Search results too, although google search has its own reliability issues for determining common name. If this move passes, I can handle renaming all mentions within this article. 104.232.119.107 (talk) 00:26, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – It's April Again → The Song from Moulin Rouge – This is the title of the song when it was published in the Catalog of Copyright Entries (see page 13). The current page title is not how the song is generally known. When the record made #1 in the US, it used that title. When it was #1 in the UK, it used a similar title, "The Song from the Moulin Rouge". Even though "It's April Again" was the original title, I think it would be easier to find with the registered title. Also, the original page title lasted for nearly ten years before the page was moved without discussion. TrottieTrue (talk) 18:57, 20 May 2024 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (permalink). TrottieTrue (talk) 00:17, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

May 20, 2024

  • (Discuss) – Love Story (Taylor Swift song) → Love Story (song) – This article has a ~100:1 pageview ratio with the Jethro Tull song, the Nadia Ali song and the Melody song combined, a strong case for a WP:PDAB. The Taylor Swift song also has overall long-term significance (eg. topping Billboard's Hot Country Songs chart with both the original master and the re-recording), thus also passing WP:PT1 and WP:PT2. JohnCWiesenthal (talk) 22:44, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – TOPS System → Total posterior spine system – I don't believe WP:ACROTITLE is suitable, most RS seem to introduce by the full name first, and the abbreviation seems to be ambiguous with at least some other uses. There are a few possible title options though, and I'm less sure about the case. Alpha3031 (t • c) 13:17, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – ChristChurch Cathedral → Christ Church Cathedral, Christchurch – There are several discussions and a (successful) past move request on this talk page about the correct article title. In the latest discussion, an IP editor has provided an explanation why we had previously used the camel case and that this is now a thing of the past. As is documented in that discussion, I've had a look what The Press (the largest South Island newspaper) is using as the common name and that is what is guiding this move request. And that leaves us with the subject of disambiguation, as it's not the only Christ Church Cathedral in New Zealand. What makes this even more complex is that the Christchurch cathedral has views about a magnitude higher than the Nelson cathedral. That said, it would seem silly to use "New Zealand" as the dab for the Christchurch cathedral when there's another one in the country, hence I've settled on "Christchurch" for the dab. Schwede66 08:54, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Gajapati Empire → ? – Gajapati dynasty and Gajapati Kingdom are the WP:COMMONNAME and WP:NPOV. Besides it seems to be a trend in India-related history articles for everything to be "empires", which obviously not right and problematic. Source per ngram [24]. PadFoot2008 16:18, 13 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 04:21, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

May 19, 2024

  • (Discuss) – Raja Permaisuri Agong → Queen of Malaysia – For the same reasons we have a King of Malaysia page. You can check the talk page there but to keep it short: it's the increasingly common usage of a simpler title in English language sources. Killuminator (talk) 23:39, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Headstone → tombstone – Dear God, no. (a) Not all gravestones are headstones. (b) This isn't an WP:ENGVAR issue. Tombstone is by far the WP:ENGLISH WP:COMMONNAME for gravestones in every dialect of English (1, 2, 3). (c) Tombstone already (appropriately) links here, so this isn't any form of WP:NATURALDAB either. (If one were needed, which it ain't, funeral stela/stele would actually cover more ground and be more appropriate for cremated remains &c.) — LlywelynII 20:46, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – 441st Air Expeditionary Squadron → 441st Bombardment Squadron – Page was moved from suggested title in 2012, apparently to list under most current name. However, unit notability, including combat in World War II and being one of first two B-52 squadrons to deploy for combat in Southeast Asia has been as a bombardment unit, not as a deployment support unit Lineagegeek (talk) 12:17, 18 May 2024 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (permalink). Lineagegeek (talk) 20:30, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Judaism in association football → History of the Jews in association football – Will make title of the article the same as similar articles about Jewish history in a region or in a particular field (including one I recently created called "History of the Jews in baseball"). It is also more accurate as the article refers to the historical roles of Jewish people in the sport and the significance of football in the Jewish community rather than any particular religious aspect of it (Yom Kippur alone does not make it so as that holiday, due to its significance, is also observed by secular Jews, not just religious ones). Please also keep in mind that Judaism is an ethnoreligion and so should not be compared to "Islam and association football". Omnis Scientia (talk) 17:27, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Ae Fond Kiss (song) → Ae fond kiss (song) – or Ae fond kiss and then we sever or Ae fond kiss, and then we sever (with a comma) – per MOS:INCIPIT. I don't really see the capitalized form in most of the cited sources as a distinct, separate title, and the opening sentence of the article doesn't render it in title case either. For either of the longer forms, no disambiguation would be needed. The comma seems to be present on the handwritten manuscript and in most sources (and in the lyrics rendered in the article). —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 01:26, 2 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. ToadetteEdit! 11:33, 9 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 17:19, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Ahmadnagar Sultanate → Nizam Shahi dynasty – Per Ngram viewer [25] Nizam Shahi dynasty is more commonly used. Nizam Shahi dynasty is more popularly used in much major reliable publishers. WP:NPOV is another reason for the proposal. Imperial[AFCND] 13:27, 5 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. ToadetteEdit! 15:21, 12 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal (talk) 15:24, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Church History (journal) → Church History: Studies in Christianity and Culture – Currently, Church History: Studies in Christianity and Culture (the full title of the journal) redirects to Church History (journal). Per WP:NATURALDIS, it can be appropriate to use an alternative name that the subject is also commonly called in English reliable sources as a form of natural disambiguation. While the journal is often called by its shortened name, Church History, it is also widely known by its full title, Church History: Studies in Christianity and Culture. Also, although this is an article about a periodical rather than an article about a book, WP:SUBTITLE seems instructive here: When the most commonly used name is ambiguous, the full title and subtitle might be suitable to be used as a form of natural disambiguation (see WP:NATURALDIS). Using the subtitle as a form of natural disambiguation will make the article easier to find and link to. Hydrangeans (she/her | talk | edits) 10:40, 10 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal (talk) 15:08, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Fashion Model → Fashion Model (film) – Formalising the discussion above. I'm neutral on the matter, but WP:DIFFCAPS may be relevant. If moving, we should also decide a target future for the resulting redirect Fashion Model. Certes (talk) 15:48, 9 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal (talk) 15:08, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Wallaceina → Wallacemonas – As of 2014 onward, the type species of Wallaceina (W. brevicula) was returned to Crithidia, and the remaining species are now under the new name Wallacemonas (see: doi:10.1016/j.protis.2014.07.001 and doi:10.1098/RSOB.200407). — Snoteleks (talk) 15:28, 9 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. ToadetteEdit! 14:13, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Carpathian Ruthenia → Transcarpathia – Each time I want to get to this article I first get to the Transcarpathia disambiguation page and later think why is this article titled this way. "Transcarpathia" is overwhelmingly the most WP:COMMONNAME for this region. I simply do not see it in use today outside of Wikipedia. Transcarpathia has 16,300 Google Scholar results while Carpathian Ruthenia has 8,530. Transcarpathia is far more popular than Carpathian Ruthenia as shown by Google Ngrams [26]. Britannica has a topic for Transcarpathia [27] and no page for Carpathian Ruthenia. I can hardly find news related to the invasion of Ukraine about the region under the name of Carpathian Ruthenia. Under the name of Transcarpathia we find news from several major media outlets [28] [29] [30] [31] [32] [33]. Super Ψ Dro 10:31, 12 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. ToadetteEdit! 14:08, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Transcarpathia → Transcarpathia (disambiguation) over redirect without leaving a redirect (implied), then WP:G14 delete if unnecessary
  • (Discuss) – Diego Ferreira → Diego Ferreira (disambiguation) – he is referred to on UFC and Sherdog as Diego Ferreira, not Carlos - https://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Diego-Ferreira-26358 even though that may be his birthname. As for the disambiguation page, there are a few football players with little information on them, so I think the fighter deserves the page. Marty2Hotty (talk) 12:56, 12 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. ToadetteEdit! 14:06, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Nerodimka River → Nerodime River – The name Nerodime is the most common name for this river in Kosovo by its citizens. Also there appears to be an advantage of "Nerodime" to "Nerodimka" in a simple Google Scholar search. The Nerodime River is especially famous for its bifurcation. Nerodime [34] - About 215 results. Nerodimka [35] - About 93 results. Also, international agencies have also used the name Nerodime to refer to this river. [36][37][38] So, I kindly request to change this name article to the one which the facts support. Typical Albanian (talk) 13:18, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Canadian Writing Centres Association → ? – Not sure of the best title for this, possibly "Writing centres in Canada", same as the current section one heading, but it seems that the general topic has much more written about than the specific organisation, suggest the 1st section become the new lead and lead be moved down to a section, and thus re-scoping this article. Alpha3031 (t • c) 10:32, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Terrorism and counterterrorism in Kazakhstan → Terrorism in Kazakhstan – "Counter-terrorism" can be discussed as a sub-topic of "terrorism". The equivalent article for most other countries is titled "Terrorism in [Country]". This move would align this article with this convention. MarioGom (talk) 08:35, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Technical University of Berlin → Technische Universität Berlin – This subject has been repeatedly discussed in the past (see previous move requests), as Technical University of Berlin is a mistranslation, and it is actively opposed be the university. It is undeniable that a change in the use is happening in the English language, and more evidence has mounted since the last request (which was already judges at "too close too tell" (more on that below) SFBB (talk) 09:01, 11 May 2024 (UTC) SFBB — Relisting. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 04:15, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

May 18, 2024

Elapsed listings

Shortcut
  • WP:RME
  • (Discuss) – War in Sudan (2023–present) → Sudanese civil war (2023–present) – The conflict is a civil war and this has become the most common name used, sources are such as Sky News: [39] (It’s in the title.) BBC News: [40] “… of the year-long Sudanese civil war” Independent: [41] “… during a year-long civil war“ CNN: [42] “Sudan has been gripped by civil war since April 2023”. 78.170.144.248 (talk) 14:04, 18 May 2024 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (permalink). 78.170.144.248 (talk) 15:25, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Magnus II of Sweden → Magnus Henriksson – The current name fails the WP:PRECISION criterion: The Google Books results for "Magnus II" Sweden are mostly about a later king Magnus Eriksson. Alternative names that could be used are Magnus Henriksson (Swedish spelling) and Magnus Henriksen (Danish spelling). Both of these names stably redirect to the right target, so either is eligible as the title. Google Books search "Magnus II" 1161 only contains a handful of results that refer to this king, whereas "Magnus Henriksson" 1161 gives more than a dozen of hits. I am suggesting to use the Swedish spelling since it seems slightly more common than the Danish one in Google Books, and even the Danish Encyclopedia Den Store Danske uses the Swedish spelling. This move is related to the ongoing RM at Talk:Magnus IV of Sweden#Requested move 15 May 2024. Jähmefyysikko (talk) 09:24, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Constance Lloyd → Constance Wilde – This is the name which will be the most meaningful to most people, see WP:COMMONNAME. When she attempted to distance herself from Oscar Wilde she adopted the pseudonym of Holland rather than reverting to her maiden name. PatGallacher (talk) 00:05, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Sexual and gender-based violence in the 2023 Hamas-led attack on Israel → Alleged sexual and gender-based violence in the 2023 Hamas-led attack on Israel – I moved the page earlier today on the basis that I assumed that it would be "unlikely that anyone would reasonably disagree with the move" as of WP:RM. Apparently, and confusingly, this is not the case. I think it should be moved to an article title which explicitly expresses the uncertainty of the alleged sexual and gender-based violence. The article itself repeatedly uses the phrases "reportedly" and "alleged", as these are allegations, not facts. Israel has constantly lied throughout the war, and cannot be trusted as a reliable source, immediately casting doubt over any of the allegations they have made. The ARCCI report is frankly libel, and throughout the article there are multiple claims with no tangible proof whatsoever. The article should definitely highlight each and every quote from people making these allegations, as it just shows how ridiculous the premise is; "legs and pelvis bones were broken"? It's frankly astonishing that anyone would take these kinds of allegations seriously. If we are not referring to Israel's abhorrent attacks on the people of Gaza and the West Bank as "genocide", which it very clearly is, then why is this article given a name which implies that this is a fact that happened? With no actual evidence, are members of Hamas not "innocent until proven guilty"? With SO many photos and videos circulated of the atrocities committed, why is it that there is no footage of anything being claimed? Wikipedia is a bastion of knowledge in the world, but I am growing increasingly concerned that it is being used nefariously by zionists to skew coverage of the conflict to reflect Israeli views. It is well known that this kind of thing has happened in the past, it would not surprise me if it was still happening. We as Wikipedians need to stop this. Davidlofgren1996 (talk) 21:26, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Backlog

Shortcut
  • WP:RMB
  • (Discuss) – Template:Article history → Template:Page history – This is not just for articles; it is for pages of various sorts (for example, it has parameters for old TFDs, MFDs, and featured portals). Thus, the current name is actively misleading. {{Page history}} does currently exist as a redirect to {{history}}. However, the redirect has only 11 uses which can easily be adjusted, and in general it is a silly redirect. I am not sure why you would want to use a "shortcut" which is literally the target page with additional text stuck on the beginning. HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 16:35, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Too Many Humans..... → Too Many Humans – The article title contains five consecutive dots, which is a phenomenon that is basically never used in ordinary English – I found only four articles like that on all of Wikipedia. MOS:TM says to try to use ordinary English formatting. Although this (self-released, apparently not very notable) album does indeed have five dots on its cover art, this typographical embellishment is not supported by the cited sources. The article cites three independent (non-user-generated) sources: Louder, Vinyl District, and Strauss Media. All three of them use no dots at all when referring to this topic. One non-independent source is also cited (Drag City), and it doesn't use any dots either. The proposed title already redirects to this topic. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 07:35, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Al-Maghazi refugee camp airstrikes → Israeli attacks on Al-Maghazi refugee camp – The attacks on the camp comprised of not only airstrikes but also of ground attacks, as evidenced in the article, while naming the perpetrator makes the title less ambiguous / more precise. — kashmīrī TALK 09:56, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Israel in the Iran–Iraq War → Israeli support for Iran during the Iran–Iraq war – The article's title was unilaterally changed about 7-8 years ago without a substantial reason provided nor a request made. The previous title gave a more apt description of the article's content (as can be observed from the first sentence of the article) and was more in line with the sources cited in the article, and the format of other articles from the same conflict, thus the move made years ago was entirely arbitrary. Requesting reverting the move and a return to the original title. Damian Lew (talk) 08:05, 16 May 2024 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (permalink). Damian Lew (talk) 08:05, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Michael Malone (basketball) → Michael Malone – Imagine this gets contested, and I think that is worthwhile. But, the basketball coach over the last month has averaged 1683 pageviews daily and over 52,000 total. Its median is 1431 views. Of all the pages with "Michael Malone", the basketball coach accounts for 97.9% of all pageviews. Since 5/4/23, he accounts for 97.2% of all pageviews. This, despite seven other pages. As a result, I do believe the basketball coach should have the base, non-disambiguated named for "Michael Malone". Debartolo2917 (talk) 01:42, 6 May 2024 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (permalink). 162 etc. (talk) 15:41, 6 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. – robertsky (talk) 18:41, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Michael Malone → Michael Malone (disambiguation) over redirect without leaving a redirect (implied), then WP:G14 delete if unnecessary
  • (Discuss) – List of NBCUniversal television programs → List of Comcast television programs – This article lists shows produced by Sky Studios (and it's subsidiaries), which is not part of NBCUniversal but rather part of Sky Group, another company owned by Comcast. Additionally, Sky has its own section in the article with other companies that are owned by NBCU, which is misleading and confusing as it can make people assume it's part of NBCU. It would be more suitable if most of the sections were put into an NBCU section, which would exist with the Sky section. Inpops (talk) 18:19, 16 April 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. ToadetteEdit! 14:22, 6 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.  ASUKITE 16:42, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Right of way → ? – Do not think this is the primary topic for this term. I expected to be taken to a page about the traffic term. The disambiguation page should be the PT, or maybe there needs to be a dab concept article, to clarify all these related but different terms. Natg 19 (talk) 16:37, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Spanish fly → Spanish fly (insect) – It seems doubtful that people are looking for a particular literal insect species when seeking information about "Spanish fly". The earlier requested move discussion in 2006 seems to have been before other topics and naming conventions were as well established as they are today. See also the other discussions of the article title in the Talk page archive. I suggest there is no primary topic, as people could also be looking for the substance exuded by the beetle or the general notion of a folk-medicine aphrodisiac. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 18:48, 2 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal (talk) 02:06, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Parachromis managuensis → Jaguar cichlid – So, the last time a name change for this article has been discussed was back in 2007 (see "article title" up above). This article used to be named "Managuense cichlid," but was later changed to the Latin name and current title, Parachromis managuensis, on the basis that it was the least ambiguous epithet for the species. Which is true. Latin names are almost always less ambiguous than vernacular names, but they're almost never as concise or recognizable - for the same reason we have articles named Great white shark and Largemouth bass rather than Carcharodon carcharias and Micropterus salmoides, I'm going to propose that this article be renamed to Jaguar cichlid. For the WP:CRITERIA of recognizability and naturalness, I present the Google Search results for the names listed in the article's lede (in order from most hits to least): * "jaguar cichlid": ~93,700 results * "parachromis managuensis": ~40,900 results * "jaguar guapote": ~9,680 results * "managuense cichlid": ~8,720 results * "guapote tigre": ~8,640 results * "aztec cichlid": ~4,090 results * "managua cichlid": ~1,470 results * "spotted guapote": ~812 results "Jaguar cichlid" is more than twice as prevalent on the web as the Latin name. It's nearly a full order of magnitude more prevalent than the next most popular vernacular name, "jaguar guapote" - and if that's where we draw the line, then names like "managuense cichlid" and "guapote tigre" aren't even in the running. This is supported by Google Trends, which shows that on average, "jaguar cichlid" is searched for 47 times more than "parachromis managuensis" and "managuense cichlid" worldwide. We should name the article accordingly. Simple as. Kodiak Blackjack (talk) • (contribs) 00:06, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Motor Launch → Motor launch (naval) – This title is miscapitalized and is ambiguous with Motor launch; both capitalizations should redirect to Launch (boat). Since this article is specifically about the naval use, the parenthetical disambiguator seems like a good way to distinguish (and it's not just the Royal Navy, as the article shows). Previous claims that this term is a proper name to the Royal Navy are not born out by evidence from sources (to be provided and discussed at length). Dicklyon (talk) 22:35, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Manpool → Northern England supercity – With reference to the article title criteria, "Northern England supercity" is likely to be more: * recognisable than the specific neologism Manpool (or the alternative, Liverchester) * naturally used and searched for, given that supercity is an established term * appropriately precise, avoiding WP:OVERPRECISION, as both John Prescott and Will Alsop's visions mentioned in the article were about more than just Liverpool and Manchester, extending to Hull, Leeds etc. Jonathan Deamer (talk) 22:43, 2 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. SilverLocust 💬 16:34, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Ultra (rapid transit) → Ultra pod transit system – More WP:NATURAL and more clear than the current title. This was suggested without objection in the RM that was just closed. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 22:23, 29 April 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.  ASUKITE 15:20, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – TM103: Hustlerz Ambition → TM103 Hustlerz Ambition – I feel that the incorrect location of the colon at the end of the title is more incorrect than the omission of the colon, but others may feel differently. I see there is a former RM above this that addressed the full title name but the colon placement was maintained following the move, and I feel it is more incorrect than the aforementioned alternative. microbiologyMarcus [petri dish·growths] 18:46, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – September 2022 Armenia–Azerbaijan clashes → 2022 аttack of Azerbaijan on Armenia – I have not seen a single reliable source saying that Armenia attacked Azerbaijan. But multiple reliable sources say the opposite. Various sources describe the events as an “invasion”, “offensive”, “attack”, or “assault.” There is consensus that Azerbaijan was the one who initiated the hostilities. Some talk about “Azerbaijan’s Invasion of Armenia”, “Azerbaijan’s Offensive on Armenia”, “Azerbaijan’s Attack on Armenia”, but they all agree on one thing: Azerbaijan was the initiator of the clash, and it was Azerbaijan who attacked. Therefore, the title “Attack of Azerbaijan on Armenia” perfectly reflects the vast majority of reliable sources and is the least ambiguous. I will provide the overwhelming evidence below: * Human Rights Watch:  :“The killings took place during fighting between Armenian and Azerbaijani forces that broke out in mid-September, when Azerbaijan made incursions into Armenia...” * Genocide Watch:  :“Azerbaijani military attacks on Armenian territory show Azerbaijani disregard for Armenian sovereignty.” * Freedom House:  :“Freedom House Condemns Azerbaijani Attacks on Armenia”  :“The Azerbaijani armed forces must immediately cease their deadly attacks on Armenian territory” * Axel Gehring, Ph.D., political scientist and expert in the field of foreign and security policy and researcher at the Institute for Critical Social Analysis of the Rosa Luxemburg Foundation in Berlin:  :“On September 13, regular Azerbaijani troops launched a large-scale attack on Armenian territory. This attack took tensions between the countries to a new level.” * Laurence Broers is a specialist in conflicts in the Transcaucasus, founder of the scientific journal Caucasus Survey:  :"Azerbaijan's recent attack seeks to enforce terms in negotiations with Armenia" “ The recent large-scale cross-border attacks inside Armenia by Azerbaijan...” * Maximilian Hess, Research Fellow for Central Asia at the Foreign Policy Institute, in Foreign Policy magazine:  :“Azerbaijani forces who marched into Armenia continue to occupy part of its territory, in particular heights around the town of Jermuk.” * David L. Phillips, conflict analyst in The National Interest:  :“The United States criticized Azerbaijan's recent attacks on Armenia proper” * European Parliament Resolution:  :“Strongly condemns the latest military aggression by Azerbaijan on September 12, 2022 on the sovereign territory of Armenia”  :“calls on the Azerbaijani authorities, therefore, to immediately withdraw from all parts of the territory of Armenia “ * Wojciech Gorecki, senior researcher at the Department of Turkey, Caucasus and Central Asia:  :“in September 2022 Azerbaijan attacked targets located on Armenian territory.” * The Guardian:  : “This week, with attention focused across the Black Sea in Ukraine, fighting on the border between Azerbaijan and Armenia killed about 100 troops after Azerbaijan shelled a number of towns in Armenia, with both sides accusing each other of “provocations”.” * Der Spiegel:  : “Peace negotiations mediated by the European Union have been at an impasse since Baku also attacked territory in the Republic of Armenia in September 2022.” * TIME:  : “...democratic nation that was recently invaded by its authoritarian neighbor”  : “...but also Armenia, which has been suffering from Azerbaijan's invasion for almost three weeks now.” * BBC:  : “I don’t think anyone doubts that Azerbaijan started this operation on the territory of Armenia. Even Azerbaijani commentators admit this. Armenia is currently weak, has little interest in disrupting the status quo.” * Eurasianet  :"Azerbaijan launches large-scale attacks on Armenia"  :“Azerbaijan launched a large-scale attack on targets in Armenia, an unprecedented expansion of the long-running conflict into Armenian territory.” * Michael Rubin, senior researcher at AIP:  :“Last week, Azerbaijan attacked Armenia proper. (Last week Azerbaijan attacked Armenia directly)” * Paul Stronski is a senior fellow in the Carnegie Russia and Eurasia Programs, specializing in Russia and the South Caucasus:  : “..the fact that Russia is preoccupied, certainly led to what looks like an Azerbaijani offensive at this time”  : “And what we even saw just in the last few days is actually attacks inside and shelling inside cities inside Armenia, not just along the border." * Kapil Komireddy, political columnist for The Telegraph:  : “But so little about Azerbaijan's attack, which goes beyond the disputed territory of Karabakh and targets Armenia proper.” *Seth Franzman, Middle East analyst for The Jerusalem Post , contributor to Defense News, The National Interest and Digest of Middle East Studies:  :“Attacks on Armenia represent dangerous escalation” *Carnegie Europe:  :“Nearly 300 soldiers died in a large-scale Azerbaijani incursion into the territory of Armenia on September 13-14.” Vanezi (talk) 21:23, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Allegations of genocide in the 2023 Israeli attack on Gaza → ? – I'm unsure what the new title should be, but I'm sure that this one has an issue. The Israeli attack on Gaza has gone past 2023 into 2024. So, we can't keep the "2023 Israeli attack on Gaza" part. Perhaps we could change it to "Allegations of genocide perpetrated by Israel in the Israel–Hamas war", "Allegations of genocide in Gaza in the Israel–Hamas war", or something different. Note that "2023 Israeli attack on Gaza" just redirects to Israel–Hamas war. Paul Vaurie (talk) 19:49, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Afon Tanat → River Tanat – Ngrams shows "River Tanat" is used more in English, therefore the WP:COMMONNAME. As used by CPAT[44], NRW[45], and UK Gov. A lot of search results seem to take after Wikipedia when searching the current name. Plus the current name is from Welsh, but not the apparent common Welsh name itself, which is Afon Tanad, so the current is neither the common Welsh or English name. DankJae 12:05, 2 April 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Natg 19 (talk) 23:01, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Karma (2024 song) → Karma's a Bitch – This page keeps getting moved. The previous rationale was "The song was originally called that in the Miley Cyrus demo, and the Brit Smith demo. It also takes away the disambiguating, so it more succinct." I’m unsure, however. The article is about the song as an entity, but that 'entity' hasn’t got a name, but it’s clear that there are two versions of the same song, and that they are not covers of each other. I don’t think this has ever happened before. Plus the proposed title is already a redirect to the page, so seems like the most logical title. This is a case of 'what came first, the chicken or the egg?' Another suggestion is Karma and Karma's a Bitch. 109.235.247.80 (talk) 01:57, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Orlando (disambiguation) → Orlando – I realise that this was discussed before in 2016, but consensus may have changed. A recent discussion at Talk:Orlando, Florida showed no consensus that this is the primary topic. I would put forward two reasons. Firstly, the sheer number of entries on this page means that we should be cautious about deciding that there is a primary topic. Secondly, some people argued that the Florida city is widely known outside the USA because it attracts a large number of tourists as the location of Disney World. However, speaking as a European who has never visited the USA, the extent to which US cities are widely known elsewhere is not necessarily a function of the number of tourists, it's not like e.g. Chicago or Los Angeles. PatGallacher (talk) 17:07, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Possibly incomplete requests

References

  1. ^ Wintle, Bonnie C.; Fraser, Hannah; Wills, Ben C.; Nicholson, Ann E.; Fidler, Fiona (2019-04-17). "Verbal probabilities: Very likely to be somewhat more confusing than numbers". PLOS ONE. 14 (4): e0213522. doi:10.1371/journal.pone.0213522. ISSN 1932-6203. PMC 6469752. PMID 30995242.{{cite journal}}: CS1 maint: PMC format (link) CS1 maint: unflagged free DOI (link)
  2. ^ van Tiel, Bob; Sauerland, Uli; Franke, Michael; Nicholson, Ann E.; Fidler, Fiona (2022). "Meaning and Use in the Expression of Estimative Probability". Open Mind. 6 (4): 250–263. doi:10.1162/opmi_a_00066. ISSN 2470-2986. PMC 9987346. PMID 36891036.{{cite journal}}: CS1 maint: PMC format (link)
  3. ^ https://www.cfr.org/article/sunni-shia-divide#:~:text=Shias%2C%20a%20term%20that%20stems,succession%20based%20on%20Mohammed%27s%20bloodline.
  4. ^ https://www.history.com/news/sunni-shia-divide-islam-muslim
  5. ^ https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/7/2013/11/Shias-Sunnis-religious-conflict-full-report.pdf
  6. ^ https://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2007/02/12/7332087/the-origins-of-the-shiite-sunni-split
  7. ^ https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-16047709
  8. ^ https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-sunni-shiite-divide-in-the-middle-east-is-about-nationalism-not-a-conflict-within-islam/
  9. ^ https://www.vox.com/2016/1/5/10718456/sunni-shia
  10. ^ https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2014/06/18/the-sunni-shia-divide-where-they-live-what-they-believe-and-how-they-view-each-other/
  11. ^ https://www.npr.org/2007/02/12/7280905/chronology-a-history-of-the-shia-sunni-split
  12. ^ https://www.bbc.com/news/av/magazine-27945271
  13. ^ https://www.fpri.org/article/2013/12/the-geopolitics-of-the-sunni-shii-divide-in-the-middle-east/
  14. ^ https://www.esd.whs.mil/Portals/54/Documents/FOID/Reading%20Room/Other/15-F-0940_DOC_05_CSBA-LTSG_Sunni-Shia_Divide_Origins_Theology_Geopolitics_200701.pdf
  15. ^ https://origins.osu.edu/article/tradition-vs-charisma-sunni-shii-divide-muslim-world?language_content_entity=en
  16. ^ https://carnegie-mec.org/posts/2007/03/the-shia-sunni-divide-myths-and-reality?lang=en&center=middle-east
  17. ^ https://www.researchgate.net/publication/346724893_Sunni-Shia_Division_in_Islam_Its_Origin_Development_Political_Socio-Economic_Implications_Contemporary_Relations
  18. ^ https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/04/sunni-shia-sectarianism-middle-east-islam
  19. ^ https://press.princeton.edu/books/hardcover/9780691186610/sunnis-and-shia
  20. ^ https://www.jstor.org/stable/pdf/resrep03717.6.pdf
Retrieved from "https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requested_moves/Current_discussions&oldid=1225645466"