Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Kiribati

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was: delete. — JJMC89 (T·C) 08:16, 16 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Portal:Kiribati

This is an unmaintained micro-portal. It could be a “broad subject area” because the country of Kiribati covers an area of 3.5 million square kilometers and 32 islands, but the portal has consisted of the same 2 articles and 1 image since 2008. It was created by User:Henry W. Schmitt in 2008, who has not edited since 2008 except for one edit in 2018 (not to the portal). The portal had 8 average daily pageviews between 1 Jan 2019 and 28 Feb 2019, as opposed to 2229 for the article (peaking on 1 January 2019, because the Line Islands in Kiribati are where a day and a year begin). The portal has not attracted readers, and has not had a portal maintainer since 2008. It was automated in June 2018, and reverted to the manual version in April 2019, but the manual version doesn’t do the archipelago country justice. I recommend that the portal be deleted, without prejudice to re-creation of a maintained portal under whatever version of portal guidelines are in effect at the time. Robert McClenon (talk) 00:27, 6 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nominator, but with prejudice against re-creation.

Special:PrefixIndex/Portal:Kiribati shows that this indeed a micro-portal. Portal:Kiribati/Selected article/1 is unchanged since creation in 2008, and Portal:Kiribati/Selected biography/1 is unchanged since creation in 2010. WP:POG#How_often_to_update? says that unless automated, the content selection should be updated monthly, or preferably weekly. Even on a monthly cycle, this portal has missed over 100 consecutive updates.

Despite its huge geographical area, Kiribati has a population of only ~100,000. WP:POG requires that portals should be about "broad subject areas, which are likely to attract large numbers of interested readers and portal maintainers". The evidence of the last 14 years of portal-building is that while portals on areas with such low population may sometimes be built by an enthusiastic editor, they very rarely attract other editors to develop and maintain them. Many many dozens of similarly small-scope portals have been deleted in the last few months after years of neglect, and I think it's betetr to put a form end to the cycle of creation and neglect.

In any case, two newish features of the Wikimedia software means that the article and navboxes offers all the functionality which portals like this set out to offer. Both features are available only to ordinary readers who are not logged in, but you can test them without logging out by right-clicking on a link, and the select "open in private window" (in Firefox) or "open in incognito window" (Chrome).

mouseover: on any link, mouseover shows you the picture and the start of the lead. So the preview-selected page-function of portals is redundant: something almost as good is available automatically on any navbox or other set of links. Try it by right-clicking on either of these link to Template:Kiribati topics or Template:Kiribati geography, open in a private/incognito tab, and mouseover any link.
automatic imagery galleries: clicking on an image brings up an image gallery of all the images on that page. It's full-screen, so it's actually much better than a click-for-next image gallery on a portal. Try it by right-clicking on this link to the article Kiribati, open in a private/incognito tab, and click on any image to start the slideshow

Similar features have been available since 2015 to users of Wikipedia's Android app.

Those new technologies set a high bar for any portal which actually tries to add value for the reader. In the case of a narrow topic like this, it's unliely that any editor will devote the energy needed to vault that bar. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 00:52, 6 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Coment - This portal very barely avoids being eligible for speedy deletion under P2 as an underpopulated portal. The criterion for P2 is less than three articles. This portal has three articles including the head article on the country, the selected article, and the selected biography. It is true that other articles could be selected, but they have not been selected. Robert McClenon (talk) 04:17, 6 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete without prejudice to re-creation per nom. Country-level portals are broad subject areas, as evidenced by the great number of pages in Category:Kiribati and its subcats. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 12:48, 15 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.