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Miscellany for deletion (MfD) is a place where Wikipedians decide what should be done with problematic pages in the namespaces which aren't covered by other specialized deletion discussion areas. Items sent here are usually discussed for seven days; then they are either deleted by an administrator or kept, based on community consensus as evident from the discussion, consistent with policy, and with careful judgment of the rough consensus if required.

Filtered versions of the page are available at

Information on the process

What may be nominated for deletion here:

  • Pages not covered by other XFD venues, including pages in these namespaces: Draft:, Help:, Portal:, MediaWiki:, Wikipedia: (including WikiProjects), User:, TimedText: and the various Talk: namespaces
  • Userboxes (regardless of namespace)
  • Pages in the File namespace that have a local description page but no local file (if there is a local file, Wikipedia:Files for discussion is the right venue)
  • Any other page, that is not in article space, where there is dispute as to the correct XfD venue.

Requests to undelete pages deleted after discussion here, and debate whether discussions here have been properly closed, both take place at Wikipedia:Deletion review, in accordance with Wikipedia's undeletion policy.

Before nominating a page for deletion

Before nominating a page for deletion, please consider these guidelines:

Deleting pages in your own userspace
  • If you want to have your own userpage or a draft you created deleted, there is no need to list it here; simply tag it with {{db-userreq}} or {{db-u1}}. If you wish to clear your user talk page or sandbox, just blank it.
Duplications in draftspace?
  • Duplications in draftspace are usually satisfactorily fixed by redirection. If the material is in mainspace, redirect the draft to the article, or a section of the article. If multiple draft pages on the same topic have been created, tag them for merging. See WP:SRE.
Deleting pages in other people's userspace
  • Consider explaining your concerns on the user's talk page with a personal note or by adding {{subst:Uw-userpage}} ~~~~  to their talk page. This step assumes good faith and civility; often the user is simply unaware of the guidelines, and the page can either be fixed or speedily deleted using {{db-userreq}}.
  • Take care not to bite newcomers – sometimes using the {{subst:welcome}} or {{subst:welcomeg}} template and a pointer to WP:UP would be best first.
  • Problematic userspace material is often addressed by the User pages guidelines including in some cases removal by any user or tagging to clarify the content or to prevent external search engine indexing. (Examples include copies of old, deleted, or disputed material, problematic drafts, promotional material, offensive material, inappropriate links, 'spoofing' of the MediaWiki interface, disruptive HTML, invitations or advocacy of disruption, certain kinds of images and image galleries, etc) If your concern relates to these areas consider these approaches as well, or instead of, deletion.
  • User pages about Wikipedia-related matters by established users usually do not qualify for deletion.
  • Articles that were recently deleted at AfD and then moved to userspace are generally not deleted unless they have lingered in userspace for an extended period of time without improvement to address the concerns that resulted in their deletion at AfD, or their content otherwise violates a global content policy such as our policies on Biographies of living persons that applies to any namespace.
Policies, guidelines and process pages
  • Established pages and their sub-pages should not be nominated, as such nominations will probably be considered disruptive, and the ensuing discussions closed early. This is not a forum for modifying or revoking policy. Instead consider tagging the policy as {{historical}} or redirecting it somewhere.
  • Proposals still under discussion generally should not be nominated. If you oppose a proposal, discuss it on the policy page's discussion page. Consider being bold and improving the proposal. Modify the proposal so that it gains consensus. Also note that even if a policy fails to gain consensus, it is often useful to retain it as a historical record, for the benefit of future editors.
WikiProjects and their subpages
  • It is generally preferable that inactive WikiProjects not be deleted, but instead be marked as {{WikiProject status|inactive}}, redirected to a relevant WikiProject, or changed to a task force of a parent WikiProject, unless the WikiProject was incompletely created or is entirely undesirable.
  • WikiProjects that were never very active and which do not have substantial historical discussions (meaning multiple discussions over an extended period of time) on the project talk page should not be tagged as {{historical}}; reserve this tag for historically active projects that have, over time, been replaced by other processes or that contain substantial discussion (as defined above) of the organization of a significant area of Wikipedia. Before deletion of an inactive project with a founder or other formerly active members who are active elsewhere on Wikipedia, consider userfication.
  • Notify the main WikiProject talk page when nominating any WikiProject subpage, in addition to standard notification of the page creator.
Alternatives to deletion
  • Normal editing that doesn't require the use of any administrator tools, such as merging the page into another page or renaming it, can often resolve problems.
  • Pages in the wrong namespace (e.g. an article in Wikipedia namespace), can simply be moved and then tag the redirect for speedy deletion using {{db-g6|rationale= it's a redirect left after a cross-namespace move}}. Notify the author of the original article of the cross-namespace move.
Alternatives to MfD
  • Speedy deletion If the page clearly satisfies a "general" or "user" speedy deletion criterion, tag it with the appropriate template. Be sure to read the entire criterion, as some do not apply in the user space.

Please familiarize yourself with the following policies

How to list pages for deletion

Shortcut
  • WP:MFDHOWTO

Please check the aforementioned list of deletion discussion areas to check that you are in the right area. Then follow these instructions:

Instructions on listing pages for deletion:

To list a page for deletion, follow this three-step process: (replace PageName with the name of the page, including its namespace, to be deleted)

Note: Users must be logged in to complete step II. An unregistered user who wishes to nominate a page for deletion should complete step I and post their reasoning on Wikipedia talk:Miscellany for deletion with a notification to a registered user to complete the process.

I.
Edit PageName:

Enter the following text at the top of the page you are listing for deletion:

{{mfd|1={{subst:FULLPAGENAME}}}}
for a second or subsequent nomination use {{mfdx|2nd}}

or

{{mfd|GroupName}}
if nominating several similar related pages in an umbrella nomination. Choose a suitable name as GroupName and use it on each page.
If the nomination is for a userbox or similarly transcluded page, use {{subst:mfd-inline}} so as to not mess up the formatting for the userbox.
Use {{subst:mfd-inline|GroupName}} for a group nomination of several related userboxes or similarly transcluded pages.
  • Please include in the edit summary the phrase
    Added MfD nomination at [[Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/PageName]]
    replace PageName with the name of the page that is up for deletion.
  • Please don't mark your edit summary as a minor edit.
  • Check the "Watch this page" box if you would like to follow the page in your watchlist. This may help you to notice if your MfD tag is removed by someone.
  • Save the page
II.
Create its MfD subpage.

The resulting MfD box at the top of the page should contain the link "this page's entry"

  • Click that link to open the page's deletion discussion page.
  • Insert this text:
{{subst:mfd2| pg={{subst:#titleparts:{{subst:PAGENAME}}||2}}| text=Reason why the page should be deleted}} ~~~~
replacing Reason... with your reasons why the page should be deleted and sign the page. Do not substitute the pagename, as this will occur automatically.
  • Consider checking "Watch this page" to follow the progress of the debate.
  • Please use an edit summary such as
    Creating deletion discussion page for [[PageName]]
    replacing PageName with the name of the page you are proposing for deletion.
  • Save the page.
III.
Add a line to MfD.

Follow   this edit link   and at the top of the list add a line:

{{subst:mfd3| pg=PageName}}
Put the page's name in place of "PageName".
  • Include the discussion page's name in your edit summary like
    Added [[Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/PageName]]
    replacing PageName with the name of the page you are proposing for deletion.
  • Save the page.
  • If nominating a page that has been nominated before, use the page's name in place of "PageName" and add
{{priorxfd|PageName}}
in the nominated page deletion discussion area to link to the previous discussions and then save the page using an edit summary such as
Added [[Template:priorxfd]] to link to prior discussions.
  • If nominating a page from someone else's userspace, notify them on their main talk page.
    For other pages, while not required, it is generally considered civil to notify the good-faith creator and any main contributors of the miscellany that you are nominating. To find the main contributors, look in the page history or talk page of the page and/or use TDS' Article Contribution Counter or Wikipedia Page History Statistics. For your convenience, you may add

    {{subst:mfd notice|PageName}} ~~~~

    to their talk page in the "edit source" section, replacing PageName with the pagename. Please use an edit summary such as

    Notice of deletion discussion at [[Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/PageName]]

    replacing PageName with the name of the nomination page you are proposing for deletion.
  • If the user has not edited in a while, consider sending the user an email to notify them about the MfD if the MfD concerns their user pages.
  • If you are nominating a WikiProject, please post a notice at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Council, in addition to the project's talk page and the talk pages of the founder and active members.

Administrator instructions

XFD backlog
V Jan Feb Mar Apr Total
CfD 0 0 2 22 24
TfD 0 0 0 7 7
MfD 0 0 0 1 1
FfD 0 0 0 0 0
RfD 0 0 0 49 49
AfD 0 0 0 3 3

Administrator instructions for closing and relisting discussions can be found here.

Archived discussions

A list of archived discussions can be located at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Archived debates.

Current discussions

Pages currently being considered for deletion are indexed by the day on which they were first listed. Please place new listings at the top of the section for the current day. If no section for the current day is present, please start a new section.

April 22, 2024

User:Skatesista6

User:Skatesista6 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)​

WP:COPIES of Love Flounder fillet (talk) 23:43, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete this ugly mess, which is an old redundant fork of an article, and has attribution violations, and no references, and is almost unreadable. Robert McClenon (talk) 00:43, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:William John Titus Bishop

Draft:William John Titus Bishop (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)​

This draft, written by a paid editor about a non-notable BLP, has sucked too much community time; it is time for this draft to be deleted. I will also note an article about Bishop has been deleted at AfD and is currently salted at William Bishop (performing artist), William Bishop (Author, Musician), William Bishop (Musician, Author), Draft:William Bishop, and William Bishop (singer).

This has been declined at AfC six(!) times before I rejected it yesterday. Since the rejection, the author has tried to improve the article and asked a plethora of questions at the AFC help desk, resulting a ~35 comment discussion in just over 24 hours. Responding to these questions is consuming volunteer time to satisfy a paid editor (and besides the paid author I have seen zero evidence of anyone finding this to be a notable topic).

At the request of the article creator, I have previously prepared several SATs; I have included an updated one below. As you can see, we have identified one (1) possible SIRS candidate, but we would need multiple for notability. UPDATE: that source is not independent; see comments by Cleo Cooper. HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 03:12, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Source assessment table: prepared by User:HouseBlaster
Source Independent? Reliable? Significant coverage? Count source toward GNG?
https://www.abc.net.au/triplejunearthed/artist/william-john-titus-bishop/ No Does not appear to be independent of Bishop (the website says it has has kicked off the careers of thousands of Australian musicians, which seems awfully promotional. Furthermore, it shares much of the same text with source 2. ~ It has two paragraphs, which is not nothing but certainly not enough to base an article on ✘ No
https://www.chinaimx.com/545/ No Appears to be sourced from https://www.williamjohntitusbishop.com and is essentially close paraphrasing of the above source ~ It has two paragraphs, which is not nothing but certainly not enough to base an article on ✘ No
https://theplayground.co.uk/listen-to-william-john-titus-bishops-latest-i-dont-remember-you-at-all/ Yes No Three sentences about Bishop himself ✘ No
https://www.viberate.com/artist/william-bishop/ No Appears to be independent, but I could be wrong. Giving the benefit of the doubt. Not independent; see this comment from Cleo Cooper ? Not sure if this is reliable? Yes See the "More about William Bishop" section ✘ No
https://www.emptymirrorbooks.com/literature/shakespeare-sonnets-alchemy No By Bishop himself No Not much about Bishop as a person ✘ No
https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia.npr.org%2Fassets%2Fimg%2F2020%2F09%2F11%2Fdeclanmckenna_tdhc_thumb-439b84365ce19df2b1c95758b0571c37ed67047b.jpg&tbnid=0FubSYJYdNm8kM&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.npr.org%2F2020%2F09%2F14%2F912004072%2Fdeclan-mckenna-tiny-desk-home-concert&docid=6CzqE-UFeDmeAM&w=1438&h=1078&hl=en-GB&sfr=vfe No A video which features Bishop himself No No coverage of Bishop at all ✘ No
https://ethicalinfluencers.co.uk/william-bishop/ No Not independent of Bishop; also copies the same bio from sources 1 and 2 Yes It has three meaty paragraphs ✘ No
https://intellifluence.com/blog/william-john-titus-bishop-influencer-spotlight No An interview with Bishop is not independent of Bishop Yes ✘ No
https://theopinionpages.com/2022/10/modern-music-collaboration-influencer-marketing-and-independent-labels/ No Written by Bishop himself Yes ✘ No
https://www.cultr.com/news/interview-william-john-titus-bishop-people-can-expect-to-be-moved-by-my-music/ No An interview with Bishop is not independent of Bishop Yes ✘ No
https://www.reverbnation.com/williambishop No It contains the phrase I had always wanted to go into music as a career without realising it, which is written in the first person. Even if we grant that it is a typo (and that is a massive assumption), it still contains insights into Bishop's thoughts (e.g. He didn’t think anything of it at the time). Occam's razor is that it was written by Bishop himself. ? I had a long discussion about this source with the author, Topg1985. To counter the fact that it contains Bishop's thoughts, Topg1985 stated that independant writers do sometimes use ‘poetic licence’ when writing about artists.They may just be imagining that is what Bishop was thinking at the time to embellish the article. If we accept that it is an embellishment (read: made-up BS), the source is not reliable. Yes ✘ No
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.

HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 20:55, 22 April 2024 (UTC) [reply]

Notified: Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk#20:42, 21 April 2024 review of submission by Topg1985. HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 20:59, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - The primary and sufficient reason why this draft should be deleted is that the author is tendentiously continuing to work on it after having being explicitly told in the rejection not to resubmit it. A second reason is that the author is also being disruptive at the AFC Help Desk. A third reason is that this is a clear and well-documented case of the gaming of names, the submission of an excessive number of drafts and articles with different titles for the same person, after an article was deleted after deletion discussion, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/William Bishop (performing artist). However, MFD is a content forum, and deleting the draft does not preclude reporting the editor's conduct to a conduct forum. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:07, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment - The deletion discussion did not preclude me from filing a report at WP:ANI. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:07, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ultra-weak keep. There is the weakest, weakest, weakest, weakest hint of notability, from Bored City and CULTR, but these are interviews. But they are recent and new from past AfD. At the moment, this is an absolute waste of time from probably paid editors. By the way, @House, that Viberate source is not independent, see here. However, in 3 years, can this person be notable? I'll give it a weak maybe. Cleo Cooper (talk) 02:25, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Just curious, in the case of a delete, would the draft be able to be recreated? Or G4. Recreation of a page that was deleted per a deletion discussion. Cleo Cooper (talk) 02:28, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Thank you for the note about Viberate—I have amended the SAT accordingly.

    Interviews with Bishop are certainly not independent of Bishop, and thus cannot contribute to notability (which requires significant coverage in secondary reliable sources independent of the subject. Per WP:NOTCRYSTAL we should not keep an article because it will be notable in the future. In fact, we have a list of articles which were (correctly!) deleted at one point—in many cases due to lack of notability—only to be (again, correctly!) recreated later once they qualified. One great examples of this include iPhone (discussion).

    G4 applies if someone recreates the same page with essentially the same content. If someone recreates this page with different content—in particular, with additional sourcing—that would not qualify as G4. Let me know if you have any other questions, HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 03:12, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Thank you for the clarification. I will vote delete. Cleo Cooper (talk) 05:38, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    In that case, can you please strike out your earlier !vote, just for clarity @Cleo Cooper – thanks. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 05:44, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Done. Cleo Cooper (talk) 06:14, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: per nom GrayStorm(Talk|Contributions) 02:39, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - I think the source analysis table is beig a bit generous assessing theplayground.co.uk and www.viberate.com as independent. Read about The Playground UK and you'll see they are a PR company. And Viberate provides tools for artists. Given the rejection of the draft further wasting of time on it is not a good thing.-- Whpq (talk) 02:53, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - The originator has been indeffed by User:Star Mississippi for disruptive editing. Thank you, User:Star Mississippi. If any of you see another draft or article that is substantially identical to this one, or another draft or article with a different variation of the title, please submit a sockpuppet report. Robert McClenon (talk) 04:59, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete (& salt?) as utterly non-notable subject with very poor referencing (and yes, that Playground/Playee source is not reliable, although was credited as such). The other titles in this title-gaming hullabaloo have already been salted (and that includes also Draft:William Bishop (Musician) and Draft:William Bishop (musician)), so this probably should be also... unless we want to leave it open for a reason? ;) --DoubleGrazing (talk) 05:32, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Is salting even possible? This musician shares a name with many people (see: William Bishop). Cleo Cooper (talk) 06:16, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Talk:Arthur Gill (priest)
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was: procedural close. Now at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Arthur Gill (priest). (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 21:01, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Talk:Arthur Gill (priest)

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There's doesn't appear to be obvious notability for this priest. Chumpih t 18:21, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Subjects failing to meet WP:GNG is an issue with the article, not the talk page. Samoht27 (talk) 19:08, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You're quite right, as indeed is Robert McClenon below. Chumpih t 19:58, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Procedural Close - Wrong venue due to misplacement. The nominator was probably looking at the talk page, and clicked XFD in Twinkle, which knew that deletion of talk pages is done via MFD. Nominator almost certainly meant to nominate the article for deletion. Whether Twinkle should guess what is happening is another question. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:34, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

April 21, 2024

User:ElChinoAntrax

User:ElChinoAntrax (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)​

Incomplete unattributed copy of José Rodrigo Aréchiga Gamboa. Flounder fillet (talk) 21:46, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: user has been warned for COI. Neutral. thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 02:21, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

April 19, 2024

User:Kayode Ajulo

User:Kayode Ajulo (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)​

This user page is a fake article which is an unsourced biography of a living person. Robert McClenon (talk) 06:21, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - appears to be copy-paste of some Wikipedia article somewhere, possibly an old version of Kayode_Ajulo. Flounder fillet (talk) 07:06, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Absolutely seems like an old version of this article, but no real purpose, and considering that that is their only edit... Me Da Wikipedian (talk) 10:21, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Robert et al. thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 02:22, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User:YangZzz

User:YangZzz (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)​

This user page appears to be a translation or machine translation from Chinese of https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E4%BA%8C%E5%8D%81%E4%BA%8C_(2017%E5%B9%B4%E7%94%B5%E5%BD%B1) . As such, it is an attribution violation, and a redundant fork from the Chinese Wikipedia. Robert McClenon (talk) 06:18, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

April 18, 2024

User:Juechenliu

User:Juechenliu (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)​

WP:COPIES of https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%8A%89%E6%9F%94%E9%81%A0 Flounder fillet (talk) 09:48, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete stale non-translated content as a misuse of a user page that shouldn't be moved anywhere.—Alalch E. 11:54, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as a redundant fork from another language. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:01, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User:Mr14113

User:Mr14113 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)​

WP:COPIES of https://sr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Be%C5%BEi%C4%8Dna_ad-hok_mre%C5%BEa Flounder fillet (talk) 09:46, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete stale non-translated content as a misuse of a user page that shouldn't be moved anywhere; article exists at Vehicular ad hoc network.—Alalch E. 11:55, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as a copy, attribution violation, and as useless. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:00, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User:Afzalkhan87

User:Afzalkhan87 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)​

Clearly mostly a malformed partial copy of a mainspace article. WP:COPIES Flounder fillet (talk) 09:39, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Me Da Wikipedian (talk) 10:22, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User:Nasir Ullah

User:Nasir Ullah (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)​

WP:COPIES of Chitral (princely state). Flounder fillet (talk) 08:12, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete user page and blank first 2 sections of the talk page:Per nom and talk page is the same. Me Da Wikipedian (talk) 10:23, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User:Blackwater2015

User:Blackwater2015 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)​

WP:COPIES of a Wikipedia: namespace page, attribution violation. Flounder fillet (talk) 08:07, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete as attribution violation per nom. Robert McClenon (talk) 09:09, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User:Suraj Kr Sarkar

User:Suraj Kr Sarkar (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)​

This user page is a partial copy of Torsa River, and so is a redundant fork. Robert McClenon (talk) 04:53, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Agree, this article should be deleted. Bduke (talk) 05:08, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User:Rayan al-ahmary

User:Rayan al-ahmary (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)​

This user page, which is the only edit by this editor, appears to be a translation of a copy of Samarium cobalt magnet from Arabic. It is a redundant fork, and so not a current copy of Wikipedia's information on the subject, and an attribution violation. The question that is known only to the editor, if even to them, is why an editor would do nothing but create a translation of a page into Arabic and save it as a user page. Regardless of why, it is not permitted. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:40, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Working link: Samarium-cobalt magnet. Flounder fillet (talk) 14:53, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User:DON RAJA

User:DON RAJA (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)​

This user page is an old copy of Portal:Geography, and is the only edit made by this one-edit wonder. As a copy of a portal, it is a redundant fork that has none of the navigational features of a portal. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:20, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Yes, delete it. Bduke (talk) 03:32, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete.—Alalch E. 12:38, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

April 17, 2024

User:Plgu-lds

User:Plgu-lds (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)​
User:Plgu-lds/sandbox (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

This user page and this sandbox appear to be almost identical, and are the only edits made by this editor. They are almost certainly copied from a copyrighted source (although I did not find it on a brief search). They are not in any form resembling drafts and so do not appear to be related to Wikipedia. They are probably U5 and probably G12. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:37, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - +68,145‎ edit saved only half an hour after the previous one, user definitely copied at least a significant part of this page from somewhere without crediting the original author. Flounder fillet (talk) 14:47, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy delete: I just tagged it. thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 02:25, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User talk:Giomurtaz

User talk:Giomurtaz (edit | subject | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)​

WP:COPIES of Roblox Flounder fillet (talk) 19:45, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User:Handmarvin/sandbox

User:Handmarvin/sandbox (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)​

Ancient WP: COPIES of Roblox. Flounder fillet (talk) 19:43, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User:Littlef08

User:Littlef08 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)​

WP:COPIES of Roblox created by blocked vandal. Flounder fillet (talk) 19:42, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per nom.—Alalch E. 12:41, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 02:25, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User:Foodgamer2020

User:Foodgamer2020 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)​

WP:COPIES of Roblox (again) Flounder fillet (talk) 19:40, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User:Roman middlewich

User:Roman middlewich (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)​

WP:COPIES of Roblox Flounder fillet (talk) 19:38, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Robert, delete as another stupid fork of Roblox. If both this user and Littlef08 have these forks the latter may be a sock. thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 02:26, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User:Jaestin123th7/sandbox

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Partial WP:COPIES of Roblox. Flounder fillet (talk) 19:36, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment - This is a fragmentary copy. Probably the same human in June 2021. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:16, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - Attribution violation. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:10, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User:Wikitree1354/sandbox

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More WP:COPIES of Roblox Flounder fillet (talk) 19:34, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment - Not !voting at this time. This is not really a copy, so much as multiple copies of a piece of the Roblox article. Will check whether this is a valid test in a sandbox. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:14, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - Attribution violation. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:09, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User:Jmint21

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Crudely copy-pasted WP:COPIES of Roblox and YouTube Flounder fillet (talk) 19:28, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete - These never were complete copies, and incomplete copies are useless. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:11, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User:Infolksman/sandbox

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WP:COPIES of Roblox created by a user blocked for LTA. Flounder fillet (talk) 19:22, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User:BarryYT

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WP:COPIES of Roblox Flounder fillet (talk) 18:46, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete as a redundant fork of an existing article, which does not match the content of the article as the article is updated.

User:The8Annihilator/sandbox

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WP:COPIES of Roblox Flounder fillet (talk) 15:45, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User:Guillermo Morán Loyola

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A machine translation of this user page from the Spanish begins: "Architectural synthesis. Compendium of personal research." So this appears to be original research by an editor whose only contribution was this original research. It will never be a viable draft, both because it has no references, and because it is original research. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:43, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - likely a use of Wikipedia for unrelated purposes, therefore a WP:NOTWEBHOST violation. Flounder fillet (talk) 20:38, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete compendium of personal research per nom.—Alalch E. 12:48, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User:منجى محروس

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Machine translation from Arabic shows that this is a very long and very poorly organized discussion of Christian scriptures, by an editor who created it in their user page, and has not used Wikipedia otherwise. It is not clear whether this was meant to be a draft article or a school assignment or whatever, so it is not obviously a candidate for U5, but it can never be brought into any usable form. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:36, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - User posted this massive page 12 minutes after creating an account, this is 100% copy-pasted and probably copyvio (copyvio checker unfortunately doesn't work for Arabic). Flounder fillet (talk) 20:35, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom et. al. thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 16:30, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User:Jamayare21

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Machine translation shows that this is an unreferenced draft article about a village in Hiraan in Somalia. It is the only contribution of an editor who did nothing else. It does not qualify for U5 because it appears to be a poor-quality draft, but it is not about to be part of the English Wikipedia either in its current form or in a machine translation. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:24, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - WP:COPIES of https://so.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceel_Cali Flounder fillet (talk) 20:45, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User:Txsasdx3000bot2

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WP:COPIES of Roblox. Flounder fillet (talk) 15:08, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User:Elbertajrq

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This user page is an unreferenced autobiography of a living person . The fact that the subject is politically notable is not a reason to keep an unreferenced BLP. McClenon mobile (talk) 09:07, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per nom.—Alalch E. 10:57, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Also delete User:Elbertajrq/sandbox for the same reasons. Shorter, newer, referenced article about this individual exists on mainspace. Flounder fillet (talk) 20:13, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User:Financial Assistant

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WP:COPIES of Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for Financial Stability Flounder fillet (talk) 04:12, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete - This copy of an article is old, and the article has been updated, illustrating that a content fork introduces discrepancies over time, which is why content forks are not permitted. Robert McClenon (talk) 05:24, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User:Yo Yo Sourav Kundu

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Appears to be crudely copypasted from mainspace, likely from the deleted article Hirdesh Singh. BLP in userspace, multiple unsourced paragraphs, would require repair to restore inline citations where they were present in the original. Flounder fillet (talk) 04:03, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User:Albanianhistory111

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WP:COPIES of Montenegro Flounder fillet (talk) 02:02, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete - This is a malformed copy of an article, and so has the disadvantages of a proper copy, but has other disadvantages also. It has no apparent utility . Robert McClenon (talk) 05:18, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User:Leakerman42

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WP:COPIES of Selena Gomez Flounder fillet (talk) 01:07, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User:Anonymous ddoser

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WP:COPIES of bankruptcy Flounder fillet (talk) 00:39, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User:Letstrybetaaccount

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WP:COPIES of Linux. Flounder fillet (talk) 00:16, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete - This is a copy of an article into user space, with no apparent reason for the copy, and so is a content fork. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:13, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User:YahyaMardanshahe

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WP:COPIES of Death of Mahsa Amini Flounder fillet (talk) 00:11, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete - This is a fully referenced copy of an article in user space by a user who has done nothing else, and so is a content fork that will not be updated. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:11, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

April 16, 2024

User:Naidu Empires

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WP:COPIES of a page on Tamil wikipedia Flounder fillet (talk) 23:45, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete as U5. There has not been any request for translation, but that is not the issue. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:07, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User:Freelearner123

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WP:COPIES. Crude copy-pastes of English language and Respiratory system mixed with each other. Flounder fillet (talk) 23:33, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete - Because this is what the nominator says it is, it is semantically meaningless. It qualifies as U5 by an editor who came to Wikipedia, left this coprolite, and departed. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:05, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per above comments.—Alalch E. 10:58, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User:THE COOLEST PERSON EVER20324

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WP:COPIES of list of the tallest people Flounder fillet (talk) 21:27, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User:Guaporez

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Appears to be WP:COPIES of Salsa (dance) Flounder fillet (talk) 21:03, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete - Probably copied for a school assignment. Copies of articles in user space are content forks, which diverge from the articles. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:40, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per above.—Alalch E. 23:29, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User:Aim is important

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Appears to be partial WP:COPIES of an old version of historical fiction. (paragraph about Pharaoh is still present in current revision of that page) Flounder fillet (talk) 20:38, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete - A fragmentary copy of an article still is not a permitted use of user space. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:43, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per above.—Alalch E. 23:28, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User:Chip tuning

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WP:FAKEARTICLE, possibly WP:COPIES of an ancient version of chip tuning. Flounder fillet (talk) 20:33, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User:SmartSpace

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Over a decade old one-edit wonder Ctrl+a ctrl+c copy of Abraham Lincoln. WP:COPIES Flounder fillet (talk) 18:30, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete - This is an unsourced copy of a biography of a dead person. It was likely created as homework for a school assignment, but that does not matter one way or the other. It is a content fork because it is not being updated when the article is being edited. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:28, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per above.—Alalch E. 23:30, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User:Gilbert roman

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WP:COPIES. Copy of Pape Latyr N'Diaye. Flounder fillet (talk) 18:26, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User:Wikiqedia Encyclopedia

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Old partial copy of mainspace article. WP:COPIES Flounder fillet (talk) 15:09, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete as per nominator. Another improper copy, and the work of another blocked one-edit wonder. (Some of the one-edit wonders are not blocked.) Robert McClenon (talk) 16:26, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per above.—Alalch E. 23:31, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User:KellyAudio

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WP:FAKEARTICLE Flounder fillet (talk) 13:49, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete - As the nominator says, this is a fake article. The creating account is globally locked, maybe as a promotional account. This page was the work of another one-edit wonder. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:23, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. WP:COPIES applies; see Gene Lavanchy.—Alalch E. 23:32, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete U5/G11. Copied content from mainspace BLP as basis for an autobiography. Uhai (talk) 06:11, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Copy, altered to be misleading. SmokeyJoe (talk) 11:52, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User:Davis1997

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Appears to be an old copy of a mainspace article. WP:COPIES Flounder fillet (talk) 13:39, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete - As per nom, this is an old copy of an article. This copy was made by an editor who made one edit, creating this copy, and then departed. The user may have used it for a school paper, but that is not important. Some of the other nominations by the nominator are similar illustrations. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:18, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Question - User:Flounder fillet - Do you have a query that finds these copies by an editor who made one copy and then disappeared? Robert McClenon (talk) 16:18, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The "potential U5s" database report (well, actually a modified version of it, because it's broken right now) detects these along with U5s (and a wide range of other strange user behaviour, I'd say about half of the English-language user pages in it's output are deletion-worthy) because it looks for long userpages of users with no mainspace edits. Flounder fillet (talk) 17:54, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Also everything I nominated today is from ordering Cryptic's query by least edits, except "Harry Potter with Tin Tin", which I found because it is one of the longest userpages found by this query in all of Wikipedia. Flounder fillet (talk) 18:13, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Interesting. Robert McClenon (talk) 00:39, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per above. Keep 'em coming.—Alalch E. 23:34, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. SmokeyJoe (talk) 09:00, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User:Harry Potter with Tin Tin

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WP:COPIES. Old copy of Virat Kohli. Flounder fillet (talk) 13:33, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete - In addition to being a useless copy of an article, this is an unsourced biography of a living person. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:13, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - The editor made one edit, or one surviving edit, to create this copy, and then departed. The nominator is finding them. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:20, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per above.—Alalch E. 23:33, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. It probably was a test, of user registration and page creation. SmokeyJoe (talk) 08:59, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

April 15, 2024

Wikipedia:Translation/Urban Network

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Incomplete translation from Japanese, abandoned since 2008. Other subpages of Wikipedia:Translation such as Wikipedia:Translation/Tanja Ostojić seem to be requests for translation. TSventon (talk) 10:06, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Isn't there a CSD criterion for this? There certainly should be. Otherwise, delete. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:36, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment to User:Pigsonthewing - How frequent are these abandoned subpages? CSD criteria should be Objective, Uncontestable, Frequent, and Nonredundant. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:10, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Delete - This seems to be abandoned in project space. It also seems to be in English, so it doesn't appear to be a request for translation. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:10, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The first half of the page is in English, the second in Japanese. TSventon (talk) 18:07, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak keep : just update the translation and rename the page Bouzinac (talk) 08:47, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Bouzinac, you may be the person most interested in keeping the page. Updating the whole translation would be a major task, particularly as the page (like the 2008 ja article) has no sources. Producing a stub like would be easier and keep the history. TSventon (talk) 10:45, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. If putting any effort in translation start by translating the current Japanese article at ja:アーバンネットワーク. The content on the nominated page is unsourced. The antiquated revision of the Japanese article of which it is a copy is also unsourced. The current revision reads differently and has a fair number of references. We cover this topic in West Japan Railway Company#Urban Network; that is also unsourced and coverage seems weak. It would certainly be better to start fresh if translating. Creating an incentive for editors to translate this antiquated unsourced content is a net negative when they could be translating the good content.—Alalch E. 00:45, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Ancient, useless cruft. * Pppery * it has begun... 01:56, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Archive. Was used, or was intended to be. Archiving old stuff is what should be done. Ancient project stuff should not be fed through MfD for busywork deletion. Users who do not know how to archive should not be curating old stuff. SmokeyJoe (talk) 08:57, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
SmokeyJoe I have taken this to MFD for advice from more knowledgeable editors. This page seems to be an anomaly as other subpages of Wikipedia:Translation such as Wikipedia:Translation/Tanja Ostojić seem to be requests for translation. TSventon (talk) 10:19, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My advice is to archive, and if you seek deletion you need are explain why archiving isn’t good enough. I disagree strongly with Andy that any old done stuff should be speediable, records of how things were done are important, and often there can be attribution requirements in not deleting. Users who participated should not have their contribution record hidden from them without good reason. SmokeyJoe (talk) 11:14, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User:Lt Gen Rajeev Chaudhry, Vsm (Veteran)

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A WP:FAKEARTICLE that was deleted as U5 and recreated by user with no explanation Flounder fillet (talk) 23:36, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, mainly to being a probably copyright violation. The subject checks out, see https://pib.gov.in/PressReleaseIframePage.aspx?PRID=1677711. My first guess is an inept WP:PAID publication, is not that the subject is the author. Block the account until they provide evidence they are them. SmokeyJoe (talk) 08:55, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Old business


April 11, 2024

Template:User hate CCP

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WP:UBCR and WP:POLEMIC. Divisive userbox. Broc (talk) 08:46, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. The word 'hate' should not appear in userboxes.—Alalch E. 09:08, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I lean to supporting this, but not without limit. A userbox might mention hate without expressing or advocating hate.
    There are several transcluders. The transcluders should be advised of this discussion. SmokeyJoe (talk) 00:38, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Courtesy ping to the transcluders of this userbox: SunDawn Moreno Ardan1 EnverTheHero Magnatyrannus Partyfrittata R09a21045 TeddyRoosevelt1912 Carlinal Michigander901 PoisonHK Delta2571 -- Broc (talk) 07:16, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks SmokeyJoe (talk) 11:11, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Broc, SmokeyJoe, specifically pinging people who are likely to !vote in a certain way is WP:VOTESTACKING. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 21:16, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    No, it is not. The proposal is to alter these people’s userpages, altering their self-introductions, with an allegation that they are doing something wrong. There are therefore key stakeholders. Their contribution here is not to vote, but to explain, or defend. If the userbox is deleted, they may be accused of disruption if they put a similar back. This outcome is an obvious failing of natural justice. SmokeyJoe (talk) 04:27, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I’ve not found the input of any of the transcluders to be persuasive. SmokeyJoe (talk) 08:46, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    If like to ask them, what is it about the CCP that they hate. Then, I’m sure it can be improved by an edit. SmokeyJoe (talk) 11:12, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - Hate of a political class of tyrants should not be equated with a group of individuals. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:44, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    How is a party which counts 98 million members not "a group of individuals"? Broc (talk) 07:13, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Dislike towards an organization (that has done "things") is different than hating millions of Chinese. I didn't think the word "hate" should immediately be construed as divisive. I didn't think "hating" the Nazi Party or ISIS is violating WP:UBCR.✠ SunDawn ✠ (contact) 11:03, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Ok, now read the userbox as "This user hates the US Republican Party". Do you still consider it non-divisive? If the template said "oppose" I would have no problem with it, but hate is a different thing. Broc (talk) 12:32, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: My usage of the anti-CCP infobox isn't of any malice towards Chinese culture or society at all, but as a protest against the party's omnipresent dominance and human rights violations that led to a moral decline within the country's political state, if not with China altogether. This includes but is not limited to Mao Zedong's cult of personality (similar with Joseph Stalin's), several massacres (Great Leap Forward, Cultural Revolution and Red August, the Tiananmen massacre and suppression of its discussion and the related), declining human and Internet rights, and other forms of crimes against humanity. That's what I hate about the party and its impact; I believe other users with the infobox aren't drastically different in motive. The party's slogan is "Serve the People", but it only serves itself, of a code not revealed to anyone with any sympathy. I wouldn't be anti-communist in the first place if all of this never happened. My use of this infobox is not light, and it speaks out for the preservation of common sense and human dignity. Carlinal (talk) 13:06, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wording Change: I am a Hong Konger, and this template sums up a large part about my childhood in the city, so I'm definitely against deleting the template entirely (please see Hong Kong-Mainland China conflict). I personally have no problem using the word "hate" towards a political organization that has no respect for human rights whatsoever, but I can understand why some would feel problematic about this. So, I would be fine if the template is re-worded to take out the word "hate" but keep much of the meaning, something along the lines of: "This user strongly condemns the CCP (for its gross violations of human rights)". TeddyRoosevelt1912 (talk) 14:15, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong oppose for being more divisive than the current wording. NasssaNser 00:51, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
How is "strongly condemns" more divisive than "hates"? Broc (talk) 18:55, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: Wikipedia is not the venue for this divisiveness, and there is nothing positive that can come from this crude criticism. —Matrix(!) {user - talk? - uselesscontributions} 17:40, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Hate is a strong word, so in the state it was nominated in, i'd have to agree! But this userbox is not unfixable! We are wikipedians! We can edit!. I think it would be a good choice to change the wording on this userbox, and change the name of the template. Possibly to something along the lines of "This user is opposed to the policies of the Chinese Communist Party" and the template name to "User oppose CCP"? Samoht27 (talk) 18:55, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Reword. Most just have a problem with the word "hate". Change it into "strongly condemns" or even "dislikes" would fix it. If you genuinely think all political userboxes violate WP:SOAPBOX, it would be more prudent to start a discussion on the talk page of the policy first. Northern Moonlight 00:11, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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