Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2020 March 23

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Fastily (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 02:01, 31 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

File:Peter & Eleanor Aug 1946.jpg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Cmacauley (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log). 

The author of this image, according to the description, is Robie Macauley, who died in 1995. The uploader has asserted rights to the image (and also authorship, separately, on the file page). Per this discussion, Cmacauley has indicated that these are images he has inherited; I don't know how we want to sort out the rights issues if we want to keep these files, but as it stands, the copyright attribution and rights release is incorrect. Chubbles (talk) 00:10, 23 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Fastily (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 02:01, 31 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

File:JCR in class 1940.jpg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Cmacauley (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log). 

This image was uploaded in 2010. The author of this image, according to the description, is C. Cameron Macauley, who died in 2007. The uploader has asserted rights to the image (and also authorship, separately, on the file page). Per this discussion, this may be an image that Cmacauley has inherited; I don't know how we want to sort out the rights issues if we want to keep these files, but as it stands, the copyright attribution and rights release is incorrect. Chubbles (talk) 00:13, 23 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: relisted on 2020 April 10. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 08:47, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

File:Mr Nutz-4 console versions.JPG (delete | talk | history | links | logs)

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The result of the discussion was: keep. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 08:47, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

File:Death march from Dachau.jpg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by SlimVirgin (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log). 

Fails NFCC #1 and #8. No evidence is presented that this file's "presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the article topic, and its omission would be detrimental to that understanding." Possible free replacements include File:Holocaust train liberated by US Army.jpg and File:Dachau Death Train.jpeg, as well as many of the files in Commons:Category:Death marches (Holocaust). buidhe 22:08, 23 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. It's hard to know how to respond to this. There are no free equivalents. It's a photograph of a Holocaust death march used as the lead image in Death marches (Holocaust), one of several photographs that Germans took surreptitiously from their homes as the lines passed by. The author and first publication are unknown, so years ago I uploaded a low-resolution version and claimed fair use. These are historically important images and in my view very informative. The image is clearer on the USHHM site; there are several that were taken at the same time. The prisoners are passing through ordinary German suburbs; see the garden in the background. And Germans are photographing them from their windows or balconies. It would be hard to describe that rather than show it. Perhaps we need to upload a higher-resolution version. SarahSV ^(talk) 23:01, 30 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• In case it matters, I've struck the above about not knowing the author's name. We now know who took the image (Benno Gantner, a German who photographed it from his balcony) and that it was first published in or around 1947, when it was put on display at the former Dachau concentration camp. Details on the file page. I've looked around some more in case there are free images of these marches, but I haven't found any. There are free images of corpses after the marches, which is what Buidhe lists above, but no free images of the marches themselves. SarahSV ^(talk) 06:08, 1 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• All the picture shows to the average reader is a group of people walking in a direction—so the educational benefit of including the image is unclear. There's nothing here that can't be conveyed with text or the alternative images, one of which shows a liberated death march. buidhe 08:35, 1 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • It shows a group of concentration-camp inmates walking through a German suburb. That's pretty extraordinary. You can see the striped uniforms in the larger version of the image. We may need to upload a larger size to make that visible. (What you call a liberated death march is a liberated train.) SarahSV ^(talk) 21:09, 1 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep As the rationale on the file page says, "This image is a faithful digitisation of a unique historic image". It shows an actual death march from 75 years ago and is needed to illustrate that article. The proposed alternatives concern trains or bodies which are not relevant. Johnuniq (talk) 09:43, 1 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: delete. In light of the replies to buidhe's conditional delete argument, it seems like this is a delete consensus. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 08:48, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

File:Galleries of Justice logo.jpg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by The dominus (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log). 

Orphaned image, the institution that it was created for has been renamed The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 23:47, 23 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Depends—I think this may be PD-exempt, in which case it should be transferred to Commons as still having historical/encyclopedic value as a former logo. If it is past threshhold of originality, then delete. buidhe 02:15, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I found it while transferring PD-textlogo files to Commons, and I had remembered that just a few days ago @Fastily: had listed another file with a background pattern as non-free, so I skipped transferring it, and then realized... why are we keeping it at all? Which is why we're here now. Fastily, if the ping brings you here: is that background enough to take it out of the public domain? The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 02:50, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Textured, gradient backgrounds fall above the threshold of originality in most jurisdictions. If transferred to Commons, I'd put money on it being deleted. -FASTILY 23:20, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 23:34, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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