- Shri Ramswaroop Memorial College of Engineering and Management, Lucknow (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (XfD|restore)
WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES per point 2 colleges and universities are de facto notable. Fztcs 15:52, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Endorse - The appellant is citing an outcomes essay, and they are not notability guidelines, but only predictions of what normally happens at AFD. The closer correctly assessed consensus, which is that reliable sources are not available. The appellant should be allowed to resubmit a draft with better sources. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:36, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Endorse per Robert: an essay about what usually happens (which even on its own terms only says that "most" universities are notable) does not permit us to overturn a consensus about what should happen in this particular case. More broadly, I'm not sure WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES is altogether accurate anymore: I've seen quite a few AfDs of universities result in deletion recently. (Whether or not that is a good thing is, of course, beyond our remit.) But regardless, the consensus here was to delete; you're welcome to draw up a draft if you can identify reliable sources sufficient to establish notability. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 17:56, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Endorse WP:OUTCOMES is an essay with no official standing, deletion discussions certainly aren't bound by it, and it doesn't state that all universities are notable anyway. There was no other way that discussion could have been closed and the article didn't even cite any independent RS, as required by WP:V. If someone wants to write a better article about it then are welcome to try, and if they want the (very short) deleted version to start from then I'm sure we can restore it to draftspace. Hut 8.5 18:29, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Endorse Per the other people. There's zero wrong with this close. WP:OUTCOMES is an essay and has no official standing.
I'm pretty sure I said as much in the AfD. --Adamant1 (talk) 02:12, 30 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Endorse WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES is tricky and can be confusing. But essentially, any school or college needs to have reliable secondary sources no matter they award a degree or not. It is usually confused with WP:UNIN which is more of an advise and not a guideline. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 14:34, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Endorse per Robert McClenon. Resubmit draft, better sources. — Alalch Emis (talk) 19:18, 1 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Endorse decision on this AFD since there were WP:V problems. However, tertiary educational institutions do indeed usually merit articles, so I am open to seeing an article on this university, provided that reliable sources are provided. Sjakkalle (Check!) 21:31, 3 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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