Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2016 March 3

Einstein syndrome (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (restore)

• Several reliable articles can be found at https://www.highbeam.com/Search?searchTerm=%22einstein+syndrome%22.
• Darold Treffert has written about Einstein syndrome at http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/mind-guest-blog/oops-when-autism-isnt-autistic-disorder-hyperlexia-and-einstein-syndrome/ and http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/outgrowing-autism-a-closer-look-at-children-who-read-early-or-speak-late/.
• Stephen Camarata has written about it at https://mitpress.mit.edu/blog/five-minutes-stephen-camarata and http://cognet.mit.edu/book/late-talking-children-symptom-or-stage in a book chapter.
• Thomas Sowell wrote a book on this at https://books.google.com/books?id=680LYsUXPZAC&dq=mit+press+einstein+syndrome&source=gbs_navlinks_s.
• A book review of Einstein syndrome in a journal is at http://link.springer.com/article/10.1023/A:1017956224167 Ylevental (talk) 13:15, 3 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• I already declined an undelete request for this, as the AFDd article was already restored to a user sandbox at ......User:Ema--or/Einstein syndrome the possible result here is to allow recreation. But first the sandbox should be improved rather than trying to make a new page.Graeme Bartlett (talk) 13:26, 3 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hmmm. But it seems that this is not the most recent version of the article. The logs seem to indicate that the most recently deleted version of the article was either a new version, or a version cut and paste from the first version -- and then improved by the addition of new references. I looked at User:Ema--or/Einstein syndrome, it cites just a single reference. But the version discussed at Wikipedia:Requests_for_undeletion/Archive_223#Einstein_Syndrome had multiple references.

    Note: The most recently deleted version was deleted under WP:CSD#G4. Since it was either a new or improved version, that suggests an overworked administrator didn't realize it was a new or improved version that required a new AFD before being deleted. Geo Swan (talk) 14:11, 3 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • I updated the sandbox article anyway: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ema--or/Einstein_syndrome However, I do not have a Highbeam subscription, so I need someone with one to add the Highbeam sources at https://www.highbeam.com/Search?searchTerm=%22einstein+syndrome%22. Ylevental (talk) 14:34, 3 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Restore to mainspace and if anyone wants another AfD, they can list it for one. This isn;tthe same article. Personally, I think it is good enough now to passAfD even in itscurrent rather sketchy state. Articles aren't expected to be perfect. DGG ( talk ) 15:05, 3 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Restore to mainspace -- Last month I participated in the recent discussion at WP:Requests for undeletion/Archive 223#Einstein Syndrome. I was convinced that it sounded like there were sufficient references to merit coverage in an individual article.

  DGG has confirmed that the most recently deleted version of this article was not a duplicate of the version deleted after an AFD. It seems to me that means that when administrators deleted the new and improved article under G4, they did so in error.

  WP:REFUND is specifically for requesting undeletions that should be uncontroversial. Shouldn't restoration of an article deleted under G4, when it was not a duplicate, be uncontroversial? Didn't the person who nominated a new and improved version of the article for speedy deletion under G4 have an obligation to nominate it for a full discussion at AFD? I think everyone agrees that REFUND should not be AFD round 2. It is unfortunate that happened, in February. Although it is frequently pointed out that this fora should not be AFD round 2, sadly it does often end up being AFD round 2.

  If this article should have been uncontroversially restored via REFUND, can we simply restore it, give those who think the topic merits coverage a couple of days to bring it up to date -- and then, if there are people who think that new version should be deleted, can then they then make their arguments at WP:Articles for deletion/Einstein syndrome 2? Geo Swan (talk) 17:39, 3 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• I deleted the recreation of the article as a G4 in 2016 at Einstein Syndrome, as I always read G4 as being applicable when the new article was near enough the old article as to have (virtually) the some content; that is what I saw here. As with all my admin actions, I don't mind if they are overturned. There was another article at Einstein syndrome which was deleted as a G4 by Favonian in December 2015. Lectonar (talk) 00:18, 4 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  Addendum: I think working on User:Ema--or/Einstein syndrome might be a good way forward. Lectonar (talk) 00:25, 4 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:Alex Gilbert (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (XfD|restore)

Hello All. Ok so since the last Deletion Review I did last year more sources have come to light for this article. Sources range from 2 years in coverage. The new sources on this page are as followed. The Original Deletion have nothing to do with the subject. I have been trying to get this article into the mainspace for too long now. It was approved last year but then deleted because it had to go through a deletion review. I am going to give this one last try. I have cleaned up the page and removed the small sources on the article. The previous deletion reviews are from August 2015 (Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2015_August_24 with more significant new information has come to light since a deletion that would justify recreating the deleted page.

• [1] - Campbell, Leigh. "The Social Media Project Helping Adopted People Find Their Birth Parents". Huffington Post. Retrieved 2016-02-28.
• [2] - This website could help you find your birth parents through social media | SBS. SBS Australia. Retrieved 2016-03-02.
• [3] - Mulroy, Zahra. "This man's 9000 mile journey to meet his birth mum ended with a surprise twist". The Mirror. Retrieved 2016-01-29.
• [4] & [5] - www.newstalkzb.co.nz. Retrieved 2016-02-02
• [6] - Sunday- (2016-02-02), Russian roulette, TVNZ, retrieved 2016-02-02

— Preceding unsigned comment added by DmitryPopovRU (talk • contribs)

• Endorse deletion The Huffington Post Australia article is not independent: 98% written by him. SBS ditto, with the addition of an number of pictures from his scrapbook. The Mirror at least reworded some it it, but they used the same pictures. Newstalk, the same thing, only on video. TVNZ just the same. All of this is the subject's publicity, and we shouldn't be adding Wikipedia to it. DGG ( talk ) 04:51, 3 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Hello DGG. The thing with a undeletion review is that it talks about the old deletion that was nominated. This is old nomination not relevant to the article. There are many other sources on the article that provide notability. These ones listed here are just new ones found since the last review. Which came up as no consensus. The fact is, is this article is endorsed I believe it will become notable in the near future so I would like to leave the Draft Live. This is simply requesting to unsalt the article Alex Gilbert. If the article goes live into the Mainspace I would like to see it go through an deletion nomination if it gets nominated and that will make a final decision on the article. Overall this article has gone through the basic notability for Wikipedia. I will otherwise leave the DRAFT on Wikipedia for the moment. Thank You --DmitryPopovRU (talk) 06:24, 3 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Deny recreation per DGG's excellent analysis. Stifle (talk) 10:42, 3 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Ok fair call. No problem. I am sorry to annoy any editors. I tried to work on this article but it looks like it is not going to go anywhere soon. But thank you for your help .--DmitryPopovRU (talk) 17:27, 3 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Deny recreation, speedy close this DRV, ban user, salt draft title. This guy has been working on getting this article into wikipedia non-stop for 2 years, to the exclusion of all other editing. It's been dragged to all sorts of different forums (most recenty, The Teahouse), and he's been nagging numerous editors on their talk pages. This is the ultimate WP:SPA. User should be banned for disruptive editing and WP:NOTHERE. -- RoySmith (talk) 12:27, 3 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Endorse deletion, block disruptive self-promoting WP:NOTHERE account. The nominator said it himself: "I have been trying to get this article into the mainspace for too long now." On that point, I agree completely. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 15:49, 5 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Clear and blatant undelete. Dude, we've got more news sources here than 95%+ of all of Wikipedia articles. We are past WP:ONEEVENT with ongoing sourcing over years in reasonable sources. Feel free to send it to AfD, but this is heads-and-shoulders above our sourcing requirements. Further, no one has given an actual policy-based reason for deletion here. Which is, you know, kind of the point of DRV. Hobit (talk) 23:17, 6 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment Firstly. Why would you block me? You guys asked for more information and I have found it. This is just turning into a personal attack on the subject now. And the old deletion nomination has nothing to do with the current subject DGG. Look at the policies not the typical ban of a user. I am able to work on a Draft if I want. I don't see why that is not allowed? And on a sidenote, where does it say it is written by him on any of those articles? From the subjects scrapbook? I don't see any scrap book anywhere. Newstalk is a Radio Show by the way if you look at the sources and with TVNZ it is a whole entire News Story on the subject. Nobody in this forum is looking at anything clearly at all. I am allowed to add to it as its more notable sources AS YOU ASKED FOR MORE INFORMATION. This is really just personal attacks on me and on the subject. 'Based on DGG's excellent analysis?'. Are you really serious? I also comment again and again because nobody is seeing any improvements. What is wrong with the sources on the article? What policies on Wikipedia say that NONE of these sources are allowed? Does this article not pass basic notability? Have you seen other articles on Wikipedia? None of them are perfect. I don't understand why all the attacks and hate. It has passed WP:GNG. It passes WP:ANYBIO too. There is really no WP:GF here. At all. I am very unhappy with this has turned out to be. Please can any of you editors help? or am I really doing the wrong thing here? Im pinging some Wikipedia Admins who help with Bios - User:Keithbob, User:Cullen328 , User:Malcolmxl5, User:Ryk72 , User:Carrite and User:Doug Weller. Thank You. I really am over this. That is all I am going to say. Спасибо - Spasibo --DmitryPopovRU (talk) 03:49, 8 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• I did some hunting in the history, and found the deleted talk page for the original article. For those who don't have rights to see the deleted page, I quote:

I did not ask for an Article

I dont want one

Please DELETE ARTICLE!!!

Thanks

Alex —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alex436 (talk • contribs) 06:27, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Assuming that's legitimate, we have the subject of a biography asking for the page about himself to be taken down. That should override all other considerations. -- RoySmith (talk) 13:10, 9 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• RoySmith , that is dated from 2009. I doubt that that has anything to do with the topic now. Especially the old high school rapper deletion from 2007. That is most likely a different person. See the facts for what the article is about now. All of this subjects events only happened from 2013.--DmitryPopovRU (talk) 17:58, 9 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• On another note RoySmith - I think you just personally just don't like the subject. I mean the point of this is to go by the policies, not search for some school kid contributions. There are many Alex Gilbert's in the world. I mean look at the contributions Special:Contributions/Alex436. Are you really serious? I doubt it is legitimate. Look at what the user has been editing and all the issues on the talk page about uploads and article creations about rap albums User_talk:Alex436. The Draft Draft:Alex Gilbert is about something that happened from 2013. So many personal attacks on this page. This draft has passed basic notability. I don't know whats with the attacks. Do people just not like Russians? You tell me. I just would like to simply put the draft on the mainspace. Is that too much to ask? If it goes though a deletion nomination then that is fine. --DmitryPopovRU (talk) 18:35, 9 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Dmitry, I'd suggest you calm down a bit here. While I think keeping this deleted is the wrong thing, founded on a really bad reading of WP:BLP1E and some people's rather strong thoughts on how to deal with perceived WP:COI concerns, Roy isn't saying anything out of line. Avoid the personal attacks (and yes, the COI charges against you are also a form of personal attacks, but sometimes life isn't fair). Hobit (talk) 15:39, 10 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]