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April 23

People by populated place in Germany

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: Merge all Timrollpickering (talk) 00:20, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Propose merging:
more categories nominated
Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, these categories consist of only 1-3 articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:25, 23 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support extremely small categories are a hinderance to navigation.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:18, 4 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Songs in memory of Matthew Shepard

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: no consensus. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 12:43, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose deleting Category:Songs in memory of Matthew Shepard (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: All redirects, making verification considerably more difficult Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 16:48, 23 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep as sufficiently populated to be useful. The nomination is factually incorrect, as Scarecrow (song) is currently an article, not a redirect. Cultural depictions of Matthew Shepard#Songs indicates notability of this person (or rather, his death) as a topic for songs. However, the nominator has also nominated that list for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cultural depictions of Matthew Shepard. – Fayenatic London 20:22, 23 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Categories where all the members are redirects have no navigational use and have been deleted in the past. This should be no exception. I note there is actually one member, so should still be deleted under WP:SMALLCAT. --Richhoncho (talk) 08:49, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • Such precedents for deletion as I recall were categories of songs by an artist that were all redirects to the same artist's albums. This case is different. WP:Categorizing redirects is permitted and sometimes useful. – Fayenatic London 21:49, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      Are you suggesting that a link to a redirect is helpful for people looking for additional information? What will a reader find having clicked on the redirect? Nothing. Zilch. Won't find an referenced analysis of the song's reference to Shepard, actually won't find anything. Are you convinced that only redirect songs cats have been deleted? Richhoncho (talk) 23:03, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      You have a point, and there is scope to review the usefulness of the redirect targets. E.g. American Triangle formerly pointed to the list (where the entry for the song includes a link to the album), before user:BizarreLoveTriangle changed it to point to the album.[1] Even so, I acknowledge that (i) the connection to Shepard is uncited, and (ii) in that instance inclusion in the category adds nothing to the info in the list. Even so, I still consider the category a valid sub-cat of Category:Songs in memory of deceased persons, showing that multiple songs were written to mark this death. – Fayenatic London 19:27, 25 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      I have more than a point, you are elevating the NN to the notable by bypassing WP:CATV, even WP:V and and every other verifiability and notability guidelines to try and save a cat with only one article. The redirect linkage is surplus to requirements, because a bluelink to Shepard, correctly, is on the album page. I repeat, nothing is gained by this category. Richhoncho (talk) 07:47, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, all information that Wikipedia has to offer on this topic is contained in article Cultural depictions of Matthew Shepard which is already in the category tree. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:05, 25 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Categorization of redirects is explicitly supported by WP:REDCAT, and a reader browsing via category would find a useful collection of articles to read via the redirects. Addressing some points from other !voters:
    • The category does not only contain redirects
    • Some have cited WP:SMALLCAT, but this category has the potential for growth
    • The connection of "American Triangle" to Shepard is now verified
    Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 02:05, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    So you think that "Rufus Wainwright sings backing vocals on the track "American Triangle", which is about Matthew Shepard, a gay college student who was brutally murdered in 1998" passes WP:CATDEF on the redirect? Mentioning the subject is not necessary defining. FWIW, If I saw a songs about category with that amount of information I'd automatically remove. It's not defining and category clutter. Sending readers to an article to read one line already apparent to the reader is not helpful. And to further confuse the matter and reduce any defining any claim, Cultural depictions of Matthew Shepard claims the song is dedicated to MS, whereas the album is claimed to be dedicated, inter alia, to MS. As for this category has potential growth, let it be recreated when that has happened. Richhoncho (talk) 10:52, 6 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I do think that the subject of "American Triangle" is a defining feature of the song. You're right that the content at Songs from the West Coast was a little thin, and I'll expand it. But CATDEF is about what's out in the sources, not what's in the article. As for the potential for growth, I presume that the guideline was written intentionally, and that the term wouldn't be there if there was consensus that size right now was the only thing that mattered. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 13:37, 6 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I doubt there is any growth in the category at all. It is an event that happened 23 years ago, and, unfortunately, there are much more recent similar events to write songs about. And my point is that no matter how much 'American Triangle' is about MS, there is nothing for the reader to learn, and that is what any category is for. Richhoncho (talk) 15:19, 6 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I see what you mean. I wouldn't be surprised if songs continue to be written about Shepard, but I actually meant that there's potential for growth in Wikipedia of coverage of already existing songs about him. It's very likely, for example, that Considering Matthew Shepard meets notability criteria. On "nothing for the reader to learn": are we expecting more from categories than information for the reader about what belongs in the category? For example, are the entries in Category:2022 songs supposed to say much more than the year of release in order to belong? Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 15:30, 6 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Any song has to pass WP:NSONG too. Richhoncho (talk) 18:43, 6 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Songs in memory of deceased persons

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 May 29#Category:Songs in memory of deceased persons

Category:Super Collider (band) albums

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: keep. WP:SNOW. Precedent is that "[name of artist] albums" are acceptable as part of a greater category tree even if only one album was released by that artist. (Non-admin closure.) (non-admin closure) Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 16:40, 23 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Category of one. Not needed. Toddst1 (talk) 07:58, 23 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per precedent and as the exception to WP:SMALLCAT. Per WP:ALBUMS, "previous discussions have formed the consensus that a category for an artist's albums should be created even if they have only released one album". StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 08:49, 23 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - per WP:SMALLCAT: "part of a large overall accepted sub-categorization scheme, such as subdividing songs in Category:Songs by artist". The scheme here is Category:Albums by artist; the rationale is that the artist is (obviously) a defining characteristic of the album. Oculi (talk) 09:16, 23 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per the above. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 16:15, 23 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Legal systems of UN member states

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 09:55, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose deleting Category:Legal systems of UN member states (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: WP:BANREVERT category created by blocked sock Epq0 yesterday. They are the only person to have populated it and I’ve now reverted thos inclusions per BANREVERT and the category is empty. Category:Law by country already exists. DeCausa (talk) 07:44, 23 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note Above IP has been blocked for using a webhost. Likely, it’s the sock ban avoiding. DeCausa (talk) 18:59, 25 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as redundant and, with respect to UN membership, non-defining. JBchrch talk 01:14, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:User eml:pra

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 10:02, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose deleting Category:User eml:pra (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: "eml:pra" is not a valid language code. The sole member of this category has been inactive since November 2021. * Pppery * it has begun... 22:25, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: seems the language code is valid for Emiliano-Romagnolo language. Gonnym (talk) 07:54, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"eml" by itself is a valid (albeit deprecated) code. I'm not seeing where "pra" is recognized, and it's not mentioned in the article. Anyway, the standard way of separating language codes is a dash rather than a colon, so rename if kept. * Pppery * it has begun... 12:55, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Marcocapelle (talk) 06:30, 23 April 2022 (UTC) [reply]
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Video games set in a fictional location

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 May 31#Video games set in a fictional location

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