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March 8

Establishments in Puducherry

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The result of the discussion was: do not rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:47, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: For consistency with the parent Category:History of Puducherry and the rest of the hierarchy under Category:Puducherry. The nominated categories were created in good faith by user:Johnpacklambert as Puducherry is a disambiguation page, but the rest of the hierarchy simply uses "Puducherry" for Puducherry (union territory) as the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. – Fayenatic London 21:37, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • If this is not carried, then the rest of the Category:Puducherry hierarchy should be nominated for renaming to include "(union territory)". – Fayenatic London 21:37, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: once this is closed, the content on the year category pages should be replaced with {{EstcatIndiastate}}. This should not be added before closure as it adds corresponding parent categories. – Fayenatic London 22:23, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • I have been able to add parents after all, thanks to ingenious improvements in the templates made by User:BrownHairedGirl following a hack by User:Tom.Reding (see my talk page). This at least means there is no urgency to resolve the inconsistency. – Fayenatic London 23:44, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • There should be consistency for sure, but I would rather rename the rest of the Category:Puducherry hierarchy. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:44, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep as is. We should always match establishment categories with the used name for the article. The name itself can refer to either a city or the union territory, and we need to be clear which one we mean. This is similar to having Category:1997 establishments in New York (state).John Pack Lambert (talk) 12:56, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per Marcocapelle fr consistency with the head article Puducherry (union territory). --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 23:55, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep -- The union territory consists of 4 districts or different parts of the Indian coast, all of which were once French colonies. One of these is Puducherry itself. If we are to have a category covering the 4 districts it needs to disambiguator. The New York analogy is apposite. Peterkingiron (talk) 11:44, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per Marcocapelle for consistency with the head article Puducherry (union territory). --Just N. (talk) 17:00, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Actors from Achaia

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The result of the discussion was: delete, doing with the contents as proposed. Good Ol’factory (talk) 06:44, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose deleting Category:Actors from Achaia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: move subcategory to Category:Greek actors and delete, too little content in this category. If kept, rename to Category:Actors from Achaea aligning with the parent category. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:34, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per nom. --Just N. (talk) 17:02, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Articles of Confederation

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 06:43, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose deleting Category:Articles of Confederation (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Newly created to act as a parent for Category:Signers of the Articles of Confederation‎ but nothing else, deletion on grounds akin to WP:OCEPON. Le Deluge (talk) 15:53, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:42, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I would think that Confederation Period would belong in this category, and possibly a few others. Alternately, there should be a category covering this period which includes both the period and the Articles. BD2412 T 22:13, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete to remove an unnecessary layer. The one article is also the main article of the subcategory. Peterkingiron (talk) 11:46, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. --Just N. (talk) 17:03, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Broderip scholars

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The result of the discussion was: convert to list (looks like it has already been done for the contents of the category). Good Ol’factory (talk) 06:42, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Convert Category:Broderip scholars to article List of Broderip scholars
Nominator's rationale: Notability of scholarship is not established, but probable WP:OCAWARD with list under construction Le Deluge (talk) 15:35, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, we do not usually categorize by scholarship, and this one does not look significant enough to make an exception for. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:52, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support does not seem to be defining. - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:19, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support -- clearly an award, and quite possibky a NN one. Peterkingiron (talk) 11:51, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support --Just N. (talk) 17:05, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Roman Catholic priests in France

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:50, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose deleting Category:Roman Catholic priests in France (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: This is a rather underpopulated category. They are all in Category:French Roman Catholic priests. I dont think running nationality and location categories side by side works. I think we are about to decide that bishops should be categorised by location - because they generally are fixed in a diocese. Priests are much more mobile, and I think its appropriate to categorise them by nationality. There are already plenty of categories for missionaries. Rathfelder (talk) 13:54, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment The nomination is a little premature. If the bishops nomination goes the way of only categorising by location, then I could support this nom. Laurel Lodged (talk) 14:03, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, they are all French anyway. We might hypothetically have a discussion about immigrant priests but they are currently not in this category. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:56, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment There are large numbers of priests who are sent from their country of origin to another country to do their service. Categorizing these priests by where we worked, and treating them as a group makes sense. Thus I can see compelling reasons for Category:Roman Catholic priests in El Salvador and Category:Roman Catholic priests in India and Category:Roman Catholic priests in China. I am not sure that we have enough articles to justify a group consideration in the case of France, but the trends of the last 40 years or more have involved large numbers of priests originating in the "global south" serving in both the US and Europe.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:00, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
True. Many parishes in Catholic Ireland now depend on priests from "The Third World". Reversal of flow. So a hatnote explaining that France is the country in which they mainly spent their life & pastoral care? Laurel Lodged (talk) 12:42, 10 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • This category only contains French priests who spent their whole working lives in France. It clearly duplicates Category:French Roman Catholic priests. I do think we need to discuss the wider issues raised above, but this is not the ground on which to do it. Rathfelder (talk) 23:59, 10 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps a name change also to clarify the revised scope? Such as Category:Expatriate Roman Catholic priests in France? Do notable examples exist? Laurel Lodged (talk) 09:01, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I think we are going to agree to categorise bishops primarily by the country of the diocese in which they operated, not by their individual nationality. Should the same principle apply to other clergy, or do we think their national origin is more important? Trying to do both leads to a lot of confusion. NB there are already some categories for missionaries and along the lines of Category:Spanish Roman Catholic bishops in North America but I think we need to consider the the context of such migration has changed a lot over the last 500 years. What might have been really defining in 1520 looks rather different now. Rathfelder (talk) 21:26, 13 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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People of Fuzhou and Hockchew descent

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The result of the discussion was: delete/merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 06:40, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge/delete, we do not categorize people by the region or city where their ancestors have been living, like in this case the city Fuzhou, per WP:COPHERITAGE. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:42, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom and my usual objections to "descent" categories User:Carlossuarez46/Descent categories. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 22:28, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete the first, merge the others. Although I have to question if the target is defining for Singapore, it almost seems to border on Category:English people of English descent, a category we specifically say should not have.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:02, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. --Just N. (talk) 17:09, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People associated with the London Business School

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 March 18#Category:People associated with the London Business School

Category:People from Brambleton, Virginia

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The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 06:38, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Small one-county community with just one entry. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 01:34, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge per WP:SMALLCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:46, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge per WP:SMALLCAT. Le Deluge (talk) 15:46, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge per Nom. I can't believe there is a category for a town that has only existed for less than 15 years. Full disclosure, my Dad put the fire sprinklers in just about everything in Brambleton. :) - Neutralhomer • Talk • 03:48 on March 9, 2021 (UTC)
  • Merge per WP:SMALLCAT. --Just N. (talk) 17:15, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People from Hurt, Virginia

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The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 06:37, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Small one-county community with just one entry. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 01:31, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Recipients of the Order of the Star of Ethiopia

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 06:36, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose Deleting/Listifying Category:Recipients of the Order of the Star of Ethiopia
  • Propose Deleting/Listifying Category:Commanders of the Order of the Star of Ethiopia
  • Propose Deleting/Listifying Category:Grand Cordons of the Order of the Star of Ethiopia‎
  • Propose Deleting/Listifying Category:Grand Crosses of the Order of the Star of Ethiopia
  • Propose Deleting/Listifying Category:Grand Officers of the Order of the Star of Ethiopia
  • Propose Deleting/Listifying Category:Officers of the Order of the Star of Ethiopia
Nominator's rationale: WP:NONDEFINING (WP:OCAWARD, WP:PERFCAT, WP:OVERLAPCAT)
When foreign leaders and diplomats visited imperial Ethiopia or vice versa, the Order of the Star of Ethiopia is given out as souvenir. George VI, Abbas II of Egypt, and Mary of Teck are not remotely defined by this award. (Without exception, the Ethiopian recipients are already under Category:Ethiopian Royal Family and, while there are several British diplomats defined by their association with the country, they are already under Category:Ambassadors of the United Kingdom to Ethiopia.) There wasn't a list so I created one right here in the main article for any reader interested in the topic. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:08, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Recipients of the Saxon Merit Cross

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 06:35, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose Deleting/Listifying Category:Recipients of the Saxon Merit Cross
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEFINING (WP:OCAWARD)
Even though the Order of Merit of the Free State of Saxony is a state-wide award for Saxon Germany, it feels very local: recipients include a children's dance instructor, the leader of a multiple sclerosis support group, the president of a garden club, and an entrepreneur who created a thousand jobs in the auto parts industry (official list). Those all sound like great people but they don't have Wikipedia articles to categorize because they are non-notable.
The only article in the category is Czech Prime Minister Václav Klaus who is not remotely defined by the award. There is a list of some other notable recipients right here in the main article but most of those biographies don't even mention the award. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:08, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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