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Category:Sámi-language songs

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:43, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose renaming Category:Sámi-language songs to Category:Sámi songs
Nominator's rationale: This was just renamed as part of a batch adding the diacritic (see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 January 17). However, the title of this category was also changed from -languages to -language (plural to singular). This was presumably done in good faith on the grounds that "Sámi-language" sounds more like an adjective than "Sámi-languages". However, as there is not just one Sámi language but a few, and the category is explicitly "for songs sung in Sámi languages", the adjective "Sámi" is more appropriate; cf. Category:Sámi culture and Category:Sámi newspapers. – Fayenatic London 22:18, 27 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Courtesy pings to User:IceWelder (nominator at the above CFD) and User:Carter (re Category talk:Sámi newspapers). – Fayenatic London 23:31, 27 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: IIRC, compound adjectives are never in the plural, so "Sámi-languages X" is not proper English. Then again, I am not a native speaker and might be wrong here. In regards to the move, I am neither for nor against the proposed rename, though I will note that the existing name is in line with the rest of Category:Songs by language. Of particular interested therein might be Category:Chinese-language songs, which also covers a language family (Cantonese, Mandarin, ...) rather than a single language. IceWelder [✉] 07:16, 28 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose We typically categorize songs by their language, not an ethnicity. Dimadick (talk) 18:58, 28 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not sure. There are several other Sámi-language categories and it may not be that bad. While it is technically incorrect it is not ambiguous. Also, considering that every of the separate languages is spoken by very few people, we would never diffuse these categories by separate language anyway. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:26, 28 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename per nom. --Just N. (talk) 18:09, 1 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose — only one of the others is missing the "-language" suffix, and I've now nominated it. There are several others that group the language songs by family. While Sami has many variants, they all seem to have names like Northern Sámi, Southern Sámi, etc. If enough songs arise in the specific group or subgroup or language or dialect, then they could certainly have their own subcategory, just as Category:Chinese-language songs‎ contains Category:Cantonese-language songs, etc.
    William Allen Simpson (talk) 00:48, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Sistani dialect

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The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:40, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, currently only two articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:05, 27 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • No, the main article Sistani dialect is already in there and the other article does not belong in it. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:24, 28 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oops; I thought it was strange that you had apparently overlooked the other parents. Merge as nominated. – Fayenatic London 08:37, 28 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge as nominated. --Just N. (talk) 18:10, 1 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Fictional Russian military snipers

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Fictional marksmen and snipers and Category:Fictional Russian military personnel. Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:39, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose deleting Category:Fictional Russian military snipers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Only one article in the category. JDDJS (talk to me • see what I've done) 18:49, 27 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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European Parliament constituencies in the United Kingdom

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:44, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Partial reversal of my own previous nomination at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 January 6 § European Parliament constituencies in the United Kingdom. Indeed, now that dates have been specified for the categories that needed it, on second thought it is non-standard and counter-productive to mention former in the name of the more generic categories. @Marcocapelle, BrownHairedGirl, and Peterkingiron: pinging contributors to previous discussion. Place Clichy (talk) 16:16, 27 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment, the Welsh and Scottish category may alternatively be upmerged to their parent categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:47, 27 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • At least, merge Category:Former European Parliament constituencies in Scotland upwards to eliminate a redundant layer. The history of this is that they were first past the post until 1999, then multi-member Proportional representation constituencies until BREXIT. When any were active, it was useful to segregate defunct ones, but it may be useful to restructure so that we have an English subcat for 1979-99 and another for 1999-2019, but all parented by a single UK category. They are all now "former". Peterkingiron (talk) 16:21, 30 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    This is precisely how English categories are now, since the renaming discussion listed above: Category:European Parliament constituencies in England (1979–1999) and Category:European Parliament constituencies in England (1999–2020). Of course Scotland and Wales do not need a category for 1999–2020 because they just had one constituency each. They however deserve a national category for the longer period. Former is no longer necessary and therefore redundant. Place Clichy (talk) 21:37, 2 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Mysore City Corporation

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:12, 6 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose deleting Category:Mysore City Corporation (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALL, a category with one member that is unlikely to ever have grow. The single eponymous member is itself a somewhat contentious new/split article. Lithopsian (talk) 15:26, 27 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy merge to both parent categories per WP:C2F. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:49, 27 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep This category is created to segregate all Pages that are related to Mysore City Corporation, a civic body that administers Mysore city. Similarly we have Category:Bruhat Bengaluru Mahanagara Palike, Category:Greater Hyderabad Municipal Corporation. I suggest you to keep it so that we can bring existing and upcoming pages related to Mysore City Corporation in one Umbrella. -Vijethnbharadwaj (talk) 13:50, 28 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete for Now The recent additions to the category are defined by Category:Mysore but not the corporation. No conceptual objection to this category if it gets up to 5+ articles defined by it but right now it's not aiding navigation because there's still only 1 article appropriately in the cat. - RevelationDirect (talk) 17:19, 28 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete for Now is right. --Just N. (talk) 18:16, 1 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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State Secretaries of Germany

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:37, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:PLURALCAT. These set categories should be titles in the plural. Place Clichy (talk) 15:22, 27 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:27, 28 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per nom. Just logic. --Just N. (talk) 18:17, 1 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People from Niota, Tennessee

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The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:36, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT, this category contains 2 articles and the town, Niota, has less than 800 residents. As such it is unlikely to significantly grow. User:Namiba 14:37, 27 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I see what you did there. - RevelationDirect (talk) 17:20, 28 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:51, 27 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge for Now with no objection to recreating if it ever exceeds expectations and reaches 5+ articles. - RevelationDirect (talk) 17:20, 28 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge per nom. --Just N. (talk) 18:18, 1 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge far too small a category to be useful.John Pack Lambert (talk) 21:20, 2 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Executive branch of the Republic of Artsakh

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Executive branch of the government of the Republic of Artsakh. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:14, 6 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose renaming Category:Executive branch of the Republic of Artsakh to Category:Executive branch of the Government of the Republic of Artsakh
Nominator's rationale: Per standard format for other state government categories. Laurel Lodged (talk) 13:39, 27 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I can live with either variant. The parent category has a mix of upper & lower case. Arguably, "Government of Foo" is a title as well as a descriptor. Laurel Lodged (talk) 11:54, 28 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Locations of Roland statues

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:35, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose deleting Category:Locations of Roland statues (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: What's the purpose of this category? It's based on a German Wikipedia article that has not been translated, but that aside, it's not a part of any common tree. We don't have categories for 'locations of stuff'. Imagine, category for 'locations of McDonald restaurants', 'locations of bridges', 'locations of battles', 'locations of churches'... I don't think we want to go down that road with categories. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 13:23, 27 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, possibly listify. This is stuff for lists and not categories, as for the German original: de:Liste der Rolandstatuen. Place Clichy (talk) 15:52, 27 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, not a defining characteristic. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:54, 27 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete a version of "George Washington slept here". Carlossuarez46 (talk) 19:46, 27 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete WP:OCVENUE approaching WP:TRIVIALCAT. - RevelationDirect (talk) 13:26, 28 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Listify then delete as a sort of PERFCAT. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:25, 30 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Listify then delete. --Just N. (talk) 18:20, 1 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Bay State Conference teams

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:34, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose deleting Category:Bay State Conference teams (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
  • Propose deleting Category:High school sports teams in the United States by conference (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
  • Propose deleting Category:High school sports teams in the United States (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: this near-empty structure contains only a handful of redirects. Unlike college sports, there is very little content specific to high school sports teams. There are instead athletics sections in articles about high schools. This structure duplicates existing High school sports associations in the United States and Category:High school sports conferences and leagues in the United States which are much better structured and developed. Place Clichy (talk) 12:45, 27 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. --Just N. (talk) 18:22, 1 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Bay State Conference schools

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The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:33, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: There is no content in the category about this Massachusetts high school sports conference besides the list of schools, and no other conference in parent Category:Massachusetts Interscholastic Athletic Association leagues has separate categories for the conference and for the schools. Place Clichy (talk) 12:45, 27 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge per nom. --Just N. (talk) 18:24, 1 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Former Mid-America Intercollegiate Athletics Association members

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The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:33, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:OVERLAPCAT. These categories are populated with universities and colleges that are (were) members of this collegiate athletic conference, and seem to have an identical scope. The target follows the format of other categories at Category:Universities and colleges in the United States by former athletic conference. Note that separate Category:Former Mid-America Intercollegiate Athletics Association teams is not affected by this nomination. Place Clichy (talk) 10:50, 27 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge per nom. --Just N. (talk) 18:25, 1 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Magazines published in Fars Province

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The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:32, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT, only contains a list now, after Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2021_January_17#Category:Newspapers_published_in_Qajar_Iran. – Fayenatic London 09:02, 27 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:56, 27 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge per nom. --Just N. (talk) 18:25, 1 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Woodrow Wilson High School (Portland, Oregon) alumni

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:31, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: The parent article Woodrow Wilson High School (Portland, Oregon) was moved because of an official name change, effective immediately. Category should be removed as well. --Another Believer (Talk) 05:24, 27 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per nom. Vaticidalprophet (talk) 08:52, 27 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename -- This is standard approach for merged and renamed colleges and schools. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:27, 30 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per nom. --Just N. (talk) 18:27, 1 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support we always categorize people based on the current name of the institution they graduated from, not the name when they graduated. This is because there are places that have gone through 5 or more names over time. The one exception is when the name change involved a changed of the level of the institution and there are reasonable sized number of people who were connected with both (see for example Category:Brigham Young University alumni and Category:Brigham Young Academy alumni however we have subsumed Category:Ricks College alumni and other previous names under Category:Brigham Young University-Idaho alumni, and with Category:Brigham Young University-Hawai'i alumni (if that is a not the right link, we may need to start using proper markings) we include people who actually were Church College of Hawaii alumni).John Pack Lambert (talk) 21:24, 2 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Suicide by subculture

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The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:29, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge, incoherent category and "subculture" does not summarize it well. If kept, by all means rename although I would not know to what. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:48, 27 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, as the intent of the category is clear from reading it. Category:Suicides is quite strongly focused and belies a strong preference for keeping only the list items in its own category. I understand the impetus for a rename, but am unsure about a more appropriate name than the present one for what is admittedly a relatively heterogenous category. Vaticidalprophet (talk) 08:56, 27 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I created this category. Perhaps rename to "suicide by cultural demographic?" or just "demographic" or "culture"? Currently the category contains some occupations, doctor and farmer, and it contains some other identity labels, including LGBT and youth. We have regional categories in Category:Suicide by country, but I wanted something to also group issues which are multinational culture. Blue Rasberry (talk) 12:11, 27 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge as nominated. The parent adequately contains the few remaining, and such as Youth suicides are more likely navigated than guessing to step a level downward in subculture. Same with farmers. LGBT is also already there.
    William Allen Simpson (talk) 17:07, 28 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge Occupation, sexual orientation, gender identity, and age bracket are not clearly defined subcultures. Dimadick (talk) 19:03, 28 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge This is trying to be a catch all when these can just be in the parent cat. - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:00, 29 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge as nominated. --Just N. (talk) 18:27, 1 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge this is an odd name, and the contents can just as easily be under the suicide category.John Pack Lambert (talk) 21:25, 2 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Hinduism and Zoroastrianism

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The result of the discussion was: procedural close. bibliomaniac15 21:35, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose creation
Nominator's rationale: I have found a lot of articles related to both Hinduism and Zoroastrianism, thus I want to add this categories to this articles. 103.134.25.90 (talk) 04:19, 27 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Which articles for example? Marcocapelle (talk) 04:51, 27 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Out of scope The creation of categories does not require a nomination here. Just register and create the category yourself. Dimadick (talk) 19:05, 28 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Can an IP editor create them? - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:01, 29 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment — I'm delighted that somebody is asking before creating! Wishing that all categories required a week of discussion before creating, that would have avoided so many messes. In this case, however, Oppose as pointless intersection of two religions. That's why PetScan exists.
    William Allen Simpson (talk) 13:55, 30 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Municipalities in the United States

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:28, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: US and Canada are the only exceptions in the Category:Municipalities (we probably need a 'by country' container category). I can't think of any reason why we would need to rise 'in' for those two countries and 'of' for the rest of the world, so I suggest standardizing the the more common form. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:53, 12 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename per WP:C2C (unless there is a WP:ENGVAR issue). Marcocapelle (talk) 07:08, 12 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, Comment by category creator back in 2009. My one concern here is that municipalities in the U.S. are not incorporated under the federal government/federal law, but rather are entirely creations of state governments/state law. So they are not "of" the United States (they are instead "of Alaska", "of Arizona", etc.) and phrasing it that way could confuse or obscure that relationship under U.S. federalism, probably why I chose the language I did when I created this category. I don't know if that's a strong enough objection to merit opposing, but the value of superficial consistency also has its limits. postdlf (talk) 15:25, 12 January 2021 (UTC) - updated to frame as opposition rather than mere comment. postdlf (talk) 23:15, 2 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename — Municipalities are specifically mentioned under Wikipedia:Category names#State-based topics. Both Canada and US have intermediate State or Province, but so do many other countries. That is, they are of the US, but in the state. I'm fairly sure we were consistent on this, and there is an explanatory note.
    William Allen Simpson (talk) 16:18, 12 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • But my point is that it's actually the opposite in the U.S., they are merely "in" the country, but "of" the state. I don't know how much that applies to other countries, where the subdivisions may be organized under different levels of authority and different types of federalism. postdlf (talk) 20:29, 13 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • Probably in most countries the decision about creating a new municipality takes place at a lower than national level. It is a bit odd to say that an institution is "of" (possessed by) another institution anyway. But those things should be discussed in a broader nomination regarding the entire tree. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:37, 15 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
        • I'm not making any claims about any other categories or countries. The only issue here is how to name this one. postdlf (talk) 18:45, 16 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • oppose per category creator. Also, it seems to me that a cleaner solution would be to get rid of the preposition by saying "UNited State municipalities" or "German municipalities". Mangoe (talk) 03:45, 15 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • There could be a discussion about the entire category some other time but it is not very meaningful to leave two exceptions in an otherwise consistent tree. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:37, 15 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Of course it is meaningful: we are having that very discussion now. I have not commented on the Canadian case because I am not familiar with their political structures, The US situation I am well-acquainted with because a number of the variations figure heavily in my home state; in the New England township system the whole notion of "town" gets mutated into a system of counties-within-counties. I'm not convinced that it is necessary to hammer the American square peg in the rest-of-world round hole merely for consistency, especially since (from what I can see) just about any other solution would avoid that. Mangoe (talk) 15:18, 15 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
In Canada, municipalities are entities of the provinces, they have little actual power, unless accorded to them by the province. The federal government has nothing to do with them, as under the constitution, it is a provincial responsibility; so "of" is wrong in Canada. -- 70.31.205.108 (talk) 07:35, 21 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"German municipalities" is bad, it introduced ambiguity, is it a German municipality in Switzerland as opposed to a French or Italian one? Or one in Alsace-Lorraine, Poland, Czech Sudetenland (ah, WWII's casus belli) ? Or Armenian ones in Azerbaijan (Nagorno-Karabakh)? Or Turkish ones in Greece (Thrace) ? -- 70.31.205.108 (talk) 07:42, 21 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Note that Category:Municipalities in Canada was renamed Category:Municipalities of Canada here.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:36, 27 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per nom, and per the additional consistency of the Canada renaming. Vaticidalprophet (talk) 08:57, 27 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose/Keep given the US federal system, the only municipality "of the United States" is Washington DC. All other municipalities are creatures of state or tribal governments. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 19:49, 27 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sorry, Carlos, but DC is a territory, the only one specified by the Constitution. Washington is/was a municipality in the District. The others were Georgetown and Alexandria. No taxation without representation.
    William Allen Simpson (talk) 17:12, 28 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • OK, there are no municipalities "of the United States". Carlossuarez46 (talk) 17:15, 28 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • That is contrary to the usual thought. Municipalities are in each sovereign state or territory, and merely of the US. We explicitly decided so many years ago on this umbrella distinction, and it was recorded in our guidelines. The umbrella "of" relationship is more distant than "in" the subject. Same with any other administrative or geographical features.
    William Allen Simpson (talk) 14:01, 30 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • NOTE to closer — !votes that reference established policies and guidelines should have greater weight than opinions.
    William Allen Simpson (talk) 14:10, 30 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The inplications of the word "of" are such that the rename would create in the minds of many a false connection that does not exist.John Pack Lambert (talk) 21:25, 2 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Similarity and distance measures

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 February 10#Category:Similarity and distance measures

Category:Recipients of the Order of the Throne

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:26, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose Deleting/Listifying Category:Recipients of the Order of the Throne
  • Propose Deleting/Listifying Category:Grand Cordons of the Order of the Throne
  • Propose Deleting/Listifying Category:Commanders of the Order of the Throne
  • Propose Deleting/Listifying Category:Knights of the Order of the Throne
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEFINING (WP:OVERLAPCAT and WP:OCAWARD)
Being Moroccan royalty is absolutely defining for Prince Moulay Rachid of Morocco and Princess Lalla Malika of Morocco which is why we have Category:Moroccan royalty. Being awarded the Order of the Throne for being a Moroccan royal or courtesan is a redundant way of categorizing the royal family. (The original intent of the award was broader so there are also a few prominent non-Royal Moroccan and foreign royal recipients—1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6—but they just mention the award in passing so it doesn't seem defining to them either.) There wasn't a list so I created one here in the main article for any reader interested in the topic.- RevelationDirect (talk) 00:20, 27 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Knights of the Order of Parfaite Amitié

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:25, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose Deleting/Listifying Category:Order of Parfaite Amitié
  • Propose Deleting/Listifying Category:Knights of the Order of Parfaite Amitié
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEFINING (WP:OVERLAPCAT and WP:OCAWARD) and, for the parent category, WP:C2F
Being a member of the Bavarian Royal House of Thurn und Taxis is absolutely defining which is why we have have Category:Thurn and Taxis. According to the Order of Parfaite Amitié article, members of Thurn and Taxis are awarded with Knighthood when they turn 18.
This is a redundant category since nearly all the recipients are already under that family category. (The only two exceptions are Alexander, Count of Schönburg-Glauchau whose sister married into the family and King Maximilian II of Bavaria who is, well, the King of Bavaria.) There wasn't a list so I created one right here in the main article for any reader interested in the topic. If the knight subcategory is deleted, the parent category will only have the one eponymous article left. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:20, 27 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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