Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 September 30

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Original programming country television network or channel categories

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 18:30, 10 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming:

41 more country categories
Nominator's rationale: The current tree is as follow: Category:Original programming -> Category:Original programming by television network or channel -> country level category (this) -> TV network or channel category as in Category:The CW original programming or Category:Channel 2 (Israeli TV channel) original programming. Not every country uses the network structure and terminology so having to decide one or the other makes either a factually wrong category or inconsistencies or even both. This makes it harder for both editors working in categories but also for readers and editors looking for a country category. The above proposal makes it more streamlined with the tree and makes the terminology more global. This naming style is also supported by the top level category Category:Television networks which has some sub-categories in the style of "network and channel". --Gonnym (talk) 21:33, 30 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, much clearer and more consistent with the category tree. Marcocapelle (talk) 00:48, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. People's different perceptions of the (clear in theory but muddled in actual practice) distinction between a "network" and a "channel" has been a source of conflict and inconsistency in the category tree — in too many cases, we've ended up with parallel "network" and "channel" trees, sometimes containing things that should more properly have been categorized as the other thing and sometimes even pointlessly duplicating each other on the same articles. This makes more sense, and while I realize that it's a big job that's not likely to get tackled all in one shot, I hope that we proceed with renaming and/or merging other "network" and "channel" categories into a single unified "network or channel" tree in the future. Bearcat (talk) 13:59, 5 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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U.S. public high schools established

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The result of the discussion was: Merge all Timrollpickering (talk) 16:07, 7 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Propose merging:
87 more establishment categories
5 more disestablishment categories
Nominator's rationale: Overcategorisation. This is a misconceived and badly-implemented series of WP:SMALLCATs, created by an editor (@Cificis) who simply doesn't communicate: there are no replies to any of the many messages on their talk, whether about this (see User talk:Cificis#What_ARE_you_doing?) or about anything else, and they have never posted on any user talk page.
The series Category:Educational institutions by year of establishment is not big enough to need subcategorisation. If it was to be subcatted, this is not a helpful way of slicing the pie: it would more helpful to have a set of cats for all primary and secondary schools in the USA, rather than just public high schools. And even if the set was restricted to public high schools, these categories are misnamed: this tree starts at Category:Public schools in the United States, so these cats should have been named Category:Public schools in the United States established in 2020, etc.
To add the problems, these categories are wholly unparented. So if kept, the category pages would all need to rebuilt.
I struggle to AGF about a editor who simply won't communicate and who ploughs on despite numerous requests to stop. But even if we assume good faith, there is nothing about the construction of these categories which improves Wikipedia. Even if we wanted to build a set of categories of this type, this randomly piecemaeal approach of misnamed, poorly-scoped, unparented cats isn't the way to do it. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:04, 30 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge and delete per nom, same as my CFD below and the schools are already in those categories Steven (Editor) (talk) 21:01, 30 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - there should be some threshold requirement before editors are allowed to create categories. Oculi (talk) 21:46, 30 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • * Merge per nominator....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 23:09, 30 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 00:53, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Violence against Hindus

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge Category:Anti-Hindu violence in India to Category:Violence against Hindus in India. The other categories which use "anti-Hindu violence" will need a new nomination. Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:09, 5 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: these seem to cover the same issue. Doug Weller talk 14:05, 30 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Pinging Vanamonde93 since he has been dealing with this for a long time. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 06:09, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • I am equally okay with reverse merge. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:45, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yeah, I'd prefer a merge from "Anti-Hindu violence" (which is a term that is rarely used) to "Violence against Hindus" (which is the most basic way we can express the concept). Vanamonde (Talk) 16:49, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:1st-century BC establishments in France

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The result of the discussion was: rename all and delete Category:1st-millennium BC establishments in France. bibliomaniac15 03:05, 11 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: To match parent tree category:1st century BC in Roman Gaul. 1st Millennium BC category includes Roman era-related articles, so no need to split. "France" is highly anachronistic for this age. GreyShark (dibra) 13:29, 30 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, there is no point in having a modern country tree parallel to an ancient history tree when the overlap in area covered is this big. Marcocapelle (talk) 00:57, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support all except the millennium which I'm inclined to delete. Laurel Lodged (talk) 08:28, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on centuries. Delete millennium, as we will never have more than a few centuries. Category:1st-century BC establishments in Gaul would also be acceptable, applying the emerging precedent of Roman Egypt. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:26, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • That is correct, we will never have more than a few centuries. Support deleting instead of renaming the millennium category. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:34, 8 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Mexican Drug War

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The result of the discussion was: Rename Timrollpickering (talk) 10:18, 7 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Case fix; reserve caps for proper names; there are several related categories with the same over-capitalization problem. Dicklyon (talk) 04:22, 30 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:G4 (American TV channel) original programming

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The result of the discussion was: Rename Timrollpickering (talk) 10:18, 7 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: The article G4 (American TV channel) was recently moved to G4 (American TV network) without discussion. I suggest that this category should follow suit. The new article name is in correspondence with Wikipedia:Naming conventions (broadcasting). Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:37, 30 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per nom. --Gonnym (talk) 00:31, 4 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Bravo (American TV channel) original programming

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The result of the discussion was: Rename Timrollpickering (talk) 10:18, 7 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: The article Bravo (American TV channel) was recently moved to Bravo (American TV network) without discussion. I suggest that this category should follow suit. The new article name is in correspondence with Wikipedia:Naming conventions (broadcasting). Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:25, 30 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per nom. --Gonnym (talk) 00:31, 4 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:A&E (TV channel) original programming

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The result of the discussion was: Rename Timrollpickering (talk) 10:19, 7 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: The article A&E (TV channel) was recently moved to A&E (TV network) without discussion, reversing an earlier undiscussed move. I suggest that this category should follow suit. The new article name is in correspondence with Wikipedia:Naming conventions (broadcasting). Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:22, 30 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per nom. --Gonnym (talk) 00:31, 4 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Nickelodeon shows

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The result of the discussion was: Merge Timrollpickering (talk) 10:20, 7 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: These categories appear to be duplicates. Recently, the "FOO shows" categories were renamed to "FOO original programming": see here and here. I'm open to correction if there is somehow a distinction between these two. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:02, 30 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge and redirect, overwriting the target page as it is new. – Fayenatic London 20:24, 30 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per nom. The Category:Nickelodeon shows by decade category tree should follow as well. --Gonnym (talk) 00:32, 4 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:U.S. public high schools established in 1949

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The result of the discussion was: superseded by omnibus nomination above at #U.S. public high schools established, by permission[1] of the nominator Steven (Editor). Pinging he only other contributor WilliamJE. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:20, 30 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose deleting Category:U.S. public high schools established in 1949 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) and all the other years, plus the disestablished ones
Nominator's rationale: The user Cificis has gone on a mass creation spree of "U.S. public high schools established in" and "U.S. public high schools disestablished in" categories. I do not see the need for these categories, otherwise we would need to do the same for other schools in other countries. I've also not seen any discussion take place on whether we should have these categories. For schools around the world, we add the standard categories "Category:Educational institutions established in [year]" and "Category:[year] establishments in [state]/[country]". For example, a U.S. high school established in 2015 in the U.S. state of California, we would add "Category:Educational institutions established in 2015" and "Category:2015 establishments in California". I propose for the deletion of these categories. Steven (Editor) (talk) 02:58, 30 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nominator....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 11:55, 30 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Singaporean co-productions

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The result of the discussion was: Rename Timrollpickering (talk) 10:19, 7 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: These are rather odd categories and unique to the category tree, as far as I can tell. I suggest as a minimum adding "television" to the category names for clarity. I'm open to other ideas as well. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:42, 30 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. A bit of an odd category, but sensible. Grutness...wha? 02:42, 30 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per nom. Without the media it can mean any co production.--Gonnym (talk) 00:33, 4 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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