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Category:WWF European Champions

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: keep. Ad Orientem (talk) 22:36, 23 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:WWF European Champions to Category:WWE champions

Nominator's rationale: This was a minor championship which is non-defining for any wrestler who held it. I would also find deleting it acceptable. TM 22:14, 15 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge to Category:WWE champions, which would be better than deleting it. Davidgoodheart (talk) 04:28, 16 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - per the reasons given by the people who want this category kept. Davidgoodheart (talk) 23:30, 16 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • oppose - I don't see how this category is unhelpful. We have an article on List of WWE European Champions. You'll also notice that this cat is also a subcat of the other category you have suggested, which would mean we would just move the persons enclosed to a category that doesn't make sense now. The Category:WWE champions is badly worded, as saying X is a WWE Champion, means that they have won the WWE Championship. I oppose the deletion of this category, and suggest a rename of this category to Category:Champions within WWE. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 09:40, 16 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - There is a championship known as the WWE Championship which Category:WWE champions is listing. A different title is the WWF European Championship. There is absolutely no logical reason to merge two completely different championships that have nothing to do with it into one category. - Galatz גאליץשיחה Talk 13:15, 16 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Galatz comment. StaticVapor message me! 17:14, 16 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Category:WWE champions is primarily a container category for all WWE champions, not for those who held the world heavyweight or universal championship.--TM 17:17, 16 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Those opposing this move are not addressing the issue and are simply factually incorrect. Merging the contents of this category into WWE champions will not merge winners of two different titles. Look at the category. There are no biographical articles in it. Please address the issue and look at the contents of the category, not simply the name.--TM 13:09, 17 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • It concerns either a defining characteristic (category to be kept) or it is non-defining (category to be deleted) - so merging certainly does not make sense here. It looks to me like it is non-defining. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:51, 17 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - Per Galatz comment. BabbaQ (talk) 09:34, 23 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Finnish supercentenarians

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The result of the discussion was: upmerge. (non-admin closure) DannyS712 (talk) 07:17, 1 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose deleting Category:Finnish supercentenarians (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Contains only a list and two redirects to same list. Useless. — JFG talk 13:34, 15 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Question, just so we don't end up with a gigantic train wreck here again; as someone unfamiliar with categories, what is the difference between deletion and upmerging? The category itself is useless, but I don't want to make a mess of things and knowing what each process does would help with that. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 15:53, 15 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Upmerging simply means that the content of the category is moved to its parent categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:38, 15 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yes, on further thought. Oculi (talk) 22:40, 15 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Houses in Gadsden, Alabama

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The result of the discussion was: upmerge. (non-admin closure) DannyS712 (talk) 00:16, 23 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Also to Category:Buildings and structures in Gadsden, Alabama. Contains only 2 articles and is unlikely to grow. TM 13:01, 15 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Upmerge for Now While there are obvioulsy other houses in the area, individually notable ones are limited. (No objection to recreating if it ever gets up to 5 or so articles). RevelationDirect (talk) 01:09, 16 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Houses in Glen Ellen, California

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The result of the discussion was: dual upmerge. (non-admin closure) DannyS712 (talk) 00:16, 23 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Also merge to Glen Ellen, California. Small category (2 articles) for a small municipality. TM 12:59, 15 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Early Turkish Anatolia

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The result of the discussion was: upmerge. (non-admin closure) DannyS712 (talk) 00:16, 23 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, only two Turkish states are relevant here (of which the Seljuk Empire was centered in Iran but stretched into Anatolia) and little chance of expansion. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:23, 15 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Centuries in Bosnia and Herzegovina

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The result of the discussion was: split. MER-C 20:05, 29 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: rename, the medieval state name was simply Bosnia (or Banate of Bosnia / Kingdom of Bosnia). On the other hand a country or region with the name Herzegovina did not exist yet in the Middle Ages and the territory belonged alternately to Croatia, Serbia or Bosnia. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:12, 15 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support With notable Polish exceptions, we usually do not have century categories for countries that did not exist yet. Laurel Lodged (talk) 08:30, 24 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Byzantine Egypt

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 20:05, 29 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose renaming Category:5th century in Roman Egypt to Category:5th century in Byzantine Egypt
  • Propose renaming Category:6th century in Roman Egypt to Category:6th century in Byzantine Egypt
  • Propose renaming Category:7th century in Roman Egypt to Category:7th century in Byzantine Egypt
Nominator's rationale: rename, align with parent Category:Byzantine Egypt. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:04, 15 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support assuming that a full list of "see also" pairs are maintained for each one. Laurel Lodged (talk) 08:28, 24 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Nigerian career bloggers

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) DannyS712 (talk) 00:16, 23 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: The category usage note here is "The below is the list of Nigerian bloggers by career", but it is unclear what this is supposed to mean. Bloggers who get paid for it? Bloggers who blog about work? There isn't a substantive or defining distinction between this and the parent category, and there's no comprehensive scheme of subcategorizing "career bloggers" as a separate thing from regular bloggers anywhere else either. Bearcat (talk) 04:52, 15 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - there is no Category:Career bloggers. Oculi (talk) 20:55, 17 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge the difference would be unclear.John Pack Lambert (talk) 22:21, 21 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Animatronicists

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 May 1#Category:Animatronicists

Category:Badminton Hall of Fame inductees

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The result of the discussion was: delete. The current contents of the category is available as a list at Wikipedia talk:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 April 15. (non-admin closure) DannyS712 (talk) 00:14, 23 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose Deleting/Listifying Category:Badminton Hall of Fame inductees
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OCAWARD (WP:NONDEFINING)
According to Badminton Hall of Fame article, this is one of several Badminton halls of fame and this one is in Colorado and part of the Badminton World Federation. The award is a little obscure: the top hits in a Google search point to Wikipedia, the External link in the article is dead, and the current home page is pretty succinct. In the article space, most make passing references to the award although there are some exceptions that don't mention it at all or include it in the led. This category doesnt' seem defining. The contents of the category are already listified here in the main article. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:07, 15 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@RevelationDirect: I was surprised that there is no specific page for the hall of fame in the official website of BWF. However, I found this document from the website which show the complete list of Hall of Fame Members. -Wongpong (talk) 01:27, 15 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Awesome! I just updated the link Badminton Hall of Fame#External links to avoid the WP:V issue I was alluding to with the main article. If one of us has time, we should also look for some secondary sources to verify notability per WP:NRV. Despite my concerns above about the category, I would be opposed to an AfD nomination for the main article. RevelationDirect (talk) 01:44, 15 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:International Cricket Council Hall of Fame inductees

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The result of the discussion was: delete. The current contents of the category is available as a list at Wikipedia talk:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 April 15. (non-admin closure) DannyS712 (talk) 00:14, 23 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose Deleting/Listifying Category:International Cricket Council Hall of Fame inductees
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OCAWARD (WP:NONDEFINING)
The ICC Cricket Hall of Fame is an award based in Dubai and appears to be internet only at this point. Of the 70+ inductess, the article indicated all but 5 were retired by the time this award started in 2009 so it mostly targets historical players. The editors in the cricket space do an awesome job so we have 5 of high quality starred/Featured Articles to look at: one mentions the award in passing (1), one mentions it in the lede (2), and three don't mention it at all outside the cat/template (3), (4) & (5). This award doesn't seem defining. The contents of the category are already listified here in the main article and each article contains this template. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:06, 15 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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