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Category:2012 phenomenon theorists

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:33, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose deleting Category:2012 phenomenon theorists (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: There is a category Category:2012 phenomenon that can incorporate all of these biographies. The problem with this category's name is that it elevates them to "theorists", an ambiguous if not misleading monicker, when most are only pseudoscientists and/or spiritualists. jps (talk) 22:52, 8 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename Category:2012 phenomenon authors. The nom appears to be calling for this authors category to be merged with their subject. That does not seem appropriate. I accept that it is mostly a load of rubbish, but unfortunately people will believe these things. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:33, 13 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • Not sure "authors" is good either - David Gerard (talk) 12:54, 19 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Their works may be more accurately described as "incoherent hypotheses", but "theorist" is the word used for this sort of thing, e.g. "conspiracy theorist". There are more shadings of meaning for the word "theory" than just "scientific theory", and this is an example - David Gerard (talk) 12:54, 19 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Via Francigena

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (NAC) Armbrust The Homunculus 22:37, 15 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose deleting Category:Via Francigena (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete. This is basically a follow up from this discussion which was closed as no consensus since there was a mix of trails, some of which probably should be deleted and others kept. So I'm sorting through that list to see which ones merit a separate deletion discussion. Again the question here is, are the places along the trail defined by the trail? This name appears to apply to both an ancient road as well as a pilgrimage route. Based on the contents of the category, it would appear that this is intended for the pilgrimage route. I don't see the places listed as being defined by being on this pilgrimage route. The main article has a list of the original way points from one direction of the first pilgrimage along this route which does a better job of explaining the various points and the finer details then a category could. Vegaswikian (talk) 20:56, 8 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. This trail is not a permanent WP:DEFINING characteristic of the articles currently in the category (apart from the eponymous article which is already in the parent categories). DexDor (talk) 04:47, 9 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete -- This is not even a recognised trail: it is almost certainly largely a series of roads. In view of the distance, I am not convinced that there was only a single road from London (or Canterbury) to Rome. I doubt there are many features (e.g. abbeys or shrines) that were specifically related to this pilgrimage, rather than just happening to be on the route. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:37, 13 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:1960 establishments in the Federation of Malaya

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (NAC) Armbrust The Homunculus 22:38, 15 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Duplicate category Tim! (talk) 19:47, 8 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge per nom. We seem to have decided to just use the term Malaya.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:48, 8 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge per nominator....William 20:56, 8 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge per nom —  dainomite   01:21, 11 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge -- Obvioulsy the same thing. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:38, 13 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:President of Ethiopia

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (NAC) Armbrust The Homunculus 22:39, 15 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: We have categories for both "President of Ethiopia" (which is also an article, describing the office) and "Presidents of Ethiopia". The former category is more populous, but I believe the latter has the correct name. In any case we don't need both categories. Gyrofrog (talk) 17:36, 8 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People from Richford, Vermont

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The result of the discussion was: merge. ((NAC) Armbrust The Homunculus 22:40, 15 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. Small community with just 4 entries. ...William 17:22, 8 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Upmerge per nom —  dainomite   01:21, 11 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Eurovision Song Contest presenters

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:49, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose deleting Category:Eurovision Song Contest presenters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete. Overcategorization of performer by performance. Jerry Pepsi (talk) 15:28, 8 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Television presenter" is an occupation category. Tagging these categories under the Eurovision contest is also a contravention of WP:PERF. "Justice" has nothing to do with Wikipedia categorization. Jerry Pepsi (talk) 00:17, 9 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete This is categorization of performers by performance.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:53, 9 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge to Category:Eurovision Song Contest. Although if a television presenter is an occupation, then the people who presented Eurovision Song Contest, which is a television show, are therefore doing their "occupation" as a presenter of a major annual TV event. Wesley Mᴥuse 02:17, 9 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

(Notification of this discussion has been sent to members of WikiProject Eurovision.)

  • Delete. A TV presenter may present (or appear in) dozens/hundreds of shows. Their occupation may be a notable/defining characteristic, but which particular shows they've been in isn't. DexDor (talk) 04:52, 9 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete & Replace - Changed my mind after some considerable thought. A reasonable compromise IMO, would be to replace any articles which are currently categorise with Category:Eurovision Song Contest presenters, with Category:Television presenters and Category:Eurovision Song Contest. The former shows they were TV presenters of a show, and the latter also provide the fact they have connections with Junior Eurovision (if that makes sense). Then delete the nominated category. Wesley Mᴥuse 05:21, 9 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge to the appropriate subcategory of Category:Television presenters by nationality per WP:OC#PERF (where appropriate). The contents of the category are already listified to List of Eurovision Song Contest presenters. Armbrust The Homunculus 15:33, 9 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment We do not want to put these people in the category for the show. In general, being a presenter or actor in a show does not create a deep enough link to categorize by. We do not put Terri Hatcher or Dean Cain in Category:Lois & Clark: The New Adventures of Superman, yet they were not only the stars of the show, they each wrote at least one episode. Actually, we put no people in that category, not even Deborah Joy LeVine who was the moving force behind creating the show is put in the category. Although that last might partly be because no one has yet found good sources to explain Levine's relationship to the show.John Pack Lambert (talk) 00:12, 10 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - Clear overcategorization per WP:OC#PERF. Categories are not for categorizing performers by their performances. —  dainomite   01:34, 11 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete -- This is clearly a p[erformance by performer category, which we do not allow. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:40, 13 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:American Horror Story (season 1) episodes

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:27, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per the main article. Note: I created this category. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 08:28, 8 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Chemical compounds found in Actinobacteria

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:25, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose deleting Category:Chemical compounds found in Actinobacteria (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
  • Propose deleting Category:Chemical compounds found in Actinomycetales (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
  • Propose deleting Category:Chemical compounds found in Archaea (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
  • Propose deleting Category:Chemical compounds found in Eukaryotes (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
  • Propose deleting Category:Chemical compounds found in Prokaryotes (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
  • Propose deleting Category:Chemical compounds found in Proteobacteria (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
  • Propose deleting Category:Chemical compounds found in Streptomyces species (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
  • Propose deleting Category:Chemical compounds found in arthropods (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
  • Propose deleting Category:Chemical compounds found in bacteria (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
  • Propose deleting Category:Chemical compounds found in cigarettes (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
  • Propose deleting Category:Chemical compounds found in cyanobacteria (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
  • Propose deleting Category:Chemical compounds found in food (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Previous discussions (2013 Aug 15, 2013 Sep 1 & 2013 Sep 21) have shown that such categories are non-defining. Armbrust The Homunculus 07:57, 8 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete For all the reasons given in the previous discussions. JamesBWatson (talk) 10:23, 10 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per precedent. These are as bad as performance categories. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:41, 13 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete this is not a defining trait to the articles involved.John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:25, 18 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Honorary Fellows of the Australian Institute of Building

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (NAC) Armbrust The Homunculus 22:41, 15 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose deleting Category:Honorary Fellows of the Australian Institute of Building (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Overcategozization per WP:OC#AWARD. People like Prince Philip do not need to be in more categories. Note: This category is currently a cross between a list article and a category. This could be listified. Some examples of deletions of similar categories are Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2013_April_22#Category:Honorary_Fellows_of_The_Institute_of_IT_Professionals and Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2011_August_8#Category:Honorary_members_of_the_Malaysian_Nature_Society. DexDor (talk) 04:31, 8 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete We generally avoid categories for people who are only honorary something.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:54, 9 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete This award is not a defining characteristic of an individual. Classic overcategorization per WP:OC#AWARD. —  dainomite   01:17, 11 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete -- WE do n ot generally allow awards categories. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:42, 13 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Venues of the 2011 European Youth Summer Olympic Festival

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (NAC) Armbrust The Homunculus 22:42, 15 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose deleting Category:Venues of the 2011 European Youth Summer Olympic Festival (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: That a stadium etc was used as a venue in a particular festival is not a permanent WP:DEFINING characteristic of that stadium. For info: There is a list at 2011_European_Youth_Summer_Olympic_Festival#Venues. DexDor (talk) 04:19, 8 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - non-defining characteristic that's already listified on an article. —  dainomite   01:18, 11 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Junior Eurovision Song Contest presenters

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:26, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose deleting Category:Junior Eurovision Song Contest presenters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Clear example of WP:OC#PERF. Could be listified (e.g. to Junior Eurovision Song Contest). DexDor (talk) 04:17, 8 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - per Category:Eurovision Song Contest presenters. Presenters of major music events should have its own category.--BabbaQ (talk) 12:21, 8 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - as a performer by performance venue. The other presenters category should also be deleted. Jerry Pepsi (talk) 15:26, 8 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - If this category is up for deletion under the rationale given, then why do we also have Category:Television presenters? Surely if there is justice to have one, then there is equal justice to have the other? If there is a valid reason then the only compromise I can see would be to enlist articles under tagged with Category:Junior Eurovision Song Contest presenters, to be retagged with both Category:Television presenters and Category:Junior Eurovision Song Contest. Wesley Mᴥuse 23:08, 8 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Television presenter" is an occupation category. Tagging these categories under the Eurovision contest is also a contravention of WP:PERF. "Justice" has nothing to do with Wikipedia categorization. Jerry Pepsi (talk) 00:17, 9 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • You may have misinterpreted my meaning of "justice", it wasn't justice as in law, it was justice as in justification, justifying. Tagging under Category:Eurovision Song Contest wouldn't contravene WP:PERF either, the articles currently tagged under the above nominated deletion are personalities who have presented a major event (Eurovision Song Contest) watched by over 120 million worldwide, so to place them under the category for which they have had dealings with would not be going against WP:PERF. Or at least that is my opinion anyway, something to which I am entitled to. Wesley Mᴥuse 02:13, 9 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Placing presenters in the general category would contravene PERF. The rule is to not categorize individual performers in conjunction with that in which they performed. Just as for example Ricardo Montalban is not under PERF properly categorized in Category:Star Trek actors, he is not properly categorized under Category:Star Trek either. Putting the presenters directly in the contest category would violate PERF in exactly the way categorizing Montalban directly in the show category would. Jerry Pepsi (talk) 09:14, 9 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Using Caterogy:Junior Eurovision Song Contest would not be in violation of PERF though. The category itself is not solely to categorise contest articles only. The category name was given as an all-in-one category name (only because project members couldn't reach a compromise on other proposals at the time). Articles such as artists that performed in a contest, their songs, host cities, articles such as United Kingdom in the Junior Eurovision Song Contest, and many more have all been placed under a universal category title Category:Junior Eurovision Song Contest. This is to highlight the subject in question is in relation to Junior Eurovision Song Contest in general and not in the way of highlighting performer by performance. Both Eurovision and Junior Eurovision are more than just a show, they are an entity and a brand within their own right, as outlined by the European Broadcasting Union. This is when Ignore all rules would apply, as placing articles under a generalised category fulfils the guidelines set out at Wikipedia:FAQ/Categorization (and I'm not trying to imply the nominated category should stay). Besides, WP:PERF doesn't mention anything about violations, WP:PERF is in regards to server performances, not BLP performances. Wesley Mᴥuse 15:20, 9 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete This is a performer by performance category.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:57, 9 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge to Category:Junior Eurovision Song Contest. Although if a television presenter is an occupation, then the people who presented Junior Eurovision Song Contest, which is a television show, are therefore doing their "occupation" as a presenter of a major annual TV event. Wesley Mᴥuse 02:18, 9 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

(Notification of this discussion has been sent to members of WikiProject Eurovision.)

  • Question to Armburst - Is there a reason to nominate a merge for Category:Eurovision Song Contest presenters, yet a nomination of delete for this Junior version? I'm just curious that's all, as both categories are similar (one being for the adult contest, the other a junior contest). Wesley Mᴥuse 17:07, 9 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Yes, the "Junior" category has far less members, and therefore I checked every member of it. The "senior" has many more members, and didn't wanted to check all of them. Armbrust The Homunculus 21:30, 9 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment The reason the senior one has more members is because the senior version has been around since 1956, the junior version only started in 2003. But both versions are the creation of the European Broadcasting Union. Wesley Mᴥuse 22:23, 9 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • But since he wants to functionally remove both categories, that detail does not matter.John Pack Lambert (talk) 00:24, 10 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • WP:AGF John, I asked Armburst a question, to which I got a reply, and as the editor pointed something out I thought it would only be polite to explain why they found more in one category and hardly any in the other. Wesley Mᴥuse 02:00, 10 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per WP:OC#PERF. This is an excellent example of a performers-by-performance category. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:06, 10 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - Amen BrownHairedGirl, categories are not for categorizing performers by their performances. —  dainomite   01:20, 11 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete -- Yet another WP:OC#PERF case. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:43, 13 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Living paths!

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (NAC) Armbrust The Homunculus 22:42, 15 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose deleting Category:Living paths! (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: With the current title (and contents and lack of parent categories) it's very unclear what the category is for - possibly it's intended to be a WikiProject category. DexDor (talk) 04:12, 8 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
This is a long term project (Living Paths Project), which will collate all the articles created as a result of the project into one category; this way we will be able to keep monitor the achievments. Thanks. Llywelyn2000 (talk) 05:52, 10 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. If the project wants to create a category for its own materials, then it should be named Category:WikiProject Living Paths! per convention of Category:WikiProjects. However, any such category should not include article-space pages, so it would need ti be created from scratch. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BrownHairedGirl (talk • contribs) --14:19, 10 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - It does not follow WikiProject category naming conventions. —  dainomite   01:15, 11 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete -- Are these the people giving us all the categories for places along paths (which we are currently busy deleting)? If so, they are getting beyond themselves. It could be called Category:WikiProject Living Paths (preferably without "!"), but I would have thought that the project page was all they needed. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:48, 13 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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