Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yendo Masatada

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The result was delete. Sandstein 05:36, 24 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yendo Masatada

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Contested PROD. User who removed PROD argued notability based on fact Masatada (the proper Japanese romanization is Endō Masatada) was the subject of a work by a famous ukiyo-e artist. But no argument has been made that this one work is itself particularly notable, or that Masatada has become notable because of this. Japanese internet searches of the name only come with hits related to this print. Masatada does not appear in major Japanese historical or biographical dictionaries. This not only undermines any assertion of notability, but also makes it hard to determine whether the facts given in the article are true or mere legend. The user who created this and his sockpuppets have a history of copyright violations and of creating articles of dubious historical accuracy. Michitaro (talk) 03:21, 16 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

My Prod removal edit summary in full: 'Subject of surviving 19th century work by Utagawa Kuniyoshi; if image is included there, valid redirect to section.' Dru of Id (talk) 03:26, 16 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Redirecting to the image if it was included in the Utagawa article is one solution, but the same user made quite a number of articles based on figures in this series of prints (e.g., Sakai Kyuzo, Horio Mosuke, or Toki Jurozayemon Mitsuchika) which are either of dubious notability or should never have been made (because they were likely about a subject for which a Wikipedia article already exists). It might become burdensome to put all these images on the Utagawa page. We don't have to cover all of Utagawa's subjects, or show all of his hundreds of ukiyo-e. Michitaro (talk) 17:00, 16 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The description agrees with Endo Naotsune. As for the print, some names on the prints of Kuniyoshi's Taiheiki Eiyuden/太平記英雄伝（英勇傳） were modified to evade censorship. Read the subtitles at the beginning and watch #23 前田利家/MaedaToshiie at 6:44 in this video. Maeda was referred as 左枝犬喜代 on the print. Unfortunately there's not that Endo print in the video. See also the #7 遠藤喜右衛門と織田信長 section on this page. Oda Mari (talk) 17:18, 16 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That's very helpful. I had already found a couple of articles Scarfaced Charley had created (such as Horio Mosuke) that probably refer to the same person covered in another article (and proposed they be merged), and thus knew that the Taiheiki Eiyuden was altering names. But with some of these articles, the information is so limited and in some cases so warped that it is hard to be sure they are the same person. I would be fine with merging the article with Endo Naotsune if everyone is certain it is the same person.Michitaro (talk) 17:41, 16 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Japan-related deletion discussions. Michitaro (talk) 03:31, 16 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nomination Nick-D (talk) 10:46, 18 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. The name used on the print is a modified name of Endo Naotsune. Look at the print carefully. It agrees with the description of Naotsune's death on these pages. [1] The third paragraph of 合戦の経緯 says "浅井の武将遠藤喜右衛門は討ち死にした友軍の三田村左衛門の首を携えて単騎信長の本陣に突入、味方を装い「御大将によき首級見参」と信長に近寄って刺し違えようと謀ったが、竹中半兵衛の弟、竹中久作重矩に見破られて討ち取られた。". [2] The fifth paragraph of 浅井軍の血戦 says "...遠藤喜右衛門尉だ...喜右衛門は、単身信長に近づいて差違えるつもりであった。彼は首を提（さ）げて血を以って面（おもて）を穢（けが）し髪を振り乱し、織田勢に紛れ込み、「御大将は何処（いずこ）に在（おわ）しますぞ」と探し廻って、信長のいるすぐ側迄来たところ、竹中半兵衛の長子久作之（これ）を見とがめ、味方にしては傍目（わきめ）多く使うとて、名乗りかけて引き組み、遂に遠藤の首をあげた". Oda Mari (talk) 07:58, 20 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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