Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Winter Park Village

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. A Train^talk 07:52, 10 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Winter Park Village

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Non-notable shopping center that fails WP:GNG and WP:NOTDIRECTORY. SamHolt6 (talk) 01:43, 18 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Florida-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 04:27, 18 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Shopping malls-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 04:44, 18 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Just a WP:MILL shopping center. No indication of notability. MB 03:26, 26 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep It may not be a notable shopping center but it can be improved with dedicated editors. Its reliability on a primary source is the only real issue I find but with a quick google search, I found many sites talking about this center. I think a cleanup tag is a better option. AmericanAir88 (talk) 00:52, 27 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• I Improved the article a bit. I added an image, added references, and expanded sections. AmericanAir88 (talk) 00:52, 27 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Thank you for improving the article. However, my view remains unchanged. The mall definitely exists, but what encyclopedic value (taking WP:NOTDIRECTORY, WP:GNG, and WP:MILL into account) does the location have? It appears to only be a locale for non-notable chain retailers and restaurants.--SamHolt6 (talk) 01:12, 27 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• The mall seems have a big history behind it, making its notability expand farther than local audiences. The Winter Park Village replaced an aging mall "The Winter Park Mall" which had a huge history behind it. I believe that dedicated editors can eliminate WP:MILL with simple expansion. For WP:GNG I believe this article has encyclopedic value. I did some research on this mall and found that it is a huge part of the town of Winter Park. This mall brings all tourism and actually where most residents of Winter Park live. I made the "Tenants" Section less like a directory. I believe we can save this article. AmericanAir88 (talk) 02:13, 27 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep, further sources established. The redevelopment was discussed in several books that I have cited in the article, and I have included several articles from the Orlando Sentinel that expand beyond WP:ROTM coverage. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 00:09, 3 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete The usual cutoff is a million sq ft, and this is only half of that. The articles are local articles about a local project, and show no indication that anyone outside the immediate area would be interested. DGG ( talk ) 18:23, 3 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• @DGG: Size isn't the only factor. Again, note that at least one source confirms this to be the first mall in the Orlando area, which is a very strong assertation of notability. Likewise, the several books discussing its redevelopment at length. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 18:28, 3 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I have re-read the on-line sources, and they do n say that its precursor was the first fully enclosed air-conditioned mall in the area. So let's write an article on its precursor, which might possibly be notable. Usually we prefer the latest reiteration, but that doesn't hold when the earlier one is the more significant. It's not just a change of title, but of content--that is, a different article. DGG ( talk ) 01:50, 4 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@DGG: Precedent is that if a mall is redeveloped and changes name, then the article covers all iterations of the property. If the original mall was notable, then the article should stay and cover all iterations. For instance, The Village of Rochester Hills covers its prior incarnation as Rochester Village Mall. And I would think that the book coverage of the redevelopment easily passes the "significant coverage" threshold of the current incarnation. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 04:51, 4 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Absolutely agree with TenPoundHammer AmericanAir88 (talk) 00:20, 8 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.