Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wei Changsheng

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. A technical nfooty pass with a single appearance in the final minutes of the final game of a season. Despite appeals that this article should be kept on the grounds that he apparently has an ongoing career, this request is not grounded in any guideline, nor has any evidence been presented that he has an ongoing career. Most importantly though, despite request, not a single source providing significant coverage has been presented, let alone sufficient sources to satisfy GNG. There is absolutely nothing I this discussion to indicate the player has received anywhere near the level of coverage to be considered a notable individual. Fenix down (talk) 09:32, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Wei Changsheng

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Despite only just passing WP:NFOOTY, he fails WP:GNG. HawkAussie (talk) 23:47, 26 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. HawkAussie (talk) 23:47, 26 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. HawkAussie (talk) 23:47, 26 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of China-related deletion discussions. HawkAussie (talk) 23:47, 26 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

delete Current consensus in numerous other recent footballer AfDs is that BLP with 1 appearance fails WP:NFOOTY too. Search on Baidu shows limited notability of Wei, centering mostly on his sole appearance, with no further information beyond that, backing the assetion that this fails WP:GNG. I would say that this BLP, under different circumstances, may have flourished instead. 2020 was a dark year in China, especially with COVID affecting all aspects of society there. – robertsky (talk) 08:05, 27 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - this is a tricky one. He's only 22 so if he has an active career, I would say 'keep', however, if he's packed it all in already, then I would say 'delete' as 3 mins of football and no significant coverage would mean that a stand-alone article isn't needed. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 09:58, 27 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 09:59, 27 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - young player with seeming ongoing career, who we traditionally allow more leeway to. This nomination is far too premature. GiantSnowman 10:20, 27 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- @GiantSnowman: I am unable to find any sources that his career is ongoing though. The club that he was last reported playing for, Hebei China Fortune, does not have him in the current team lineup. I am also unable to find any new clubs thereafter. – robertsky (talk) 10:29, 27 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Your ping didn't work for some reason. Do you have any sources saying he has left the club? Giant Snowman 14:06, 27 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@GiantSnowman: Nope. I was looking through their official website in Chinese (there are more details in there than their EN version, which makes senses since their audience is primarily China). There is no mention of him leaving in their news section. However, he is not listed in the main team, substitutes, or even as staff in the U-19 and below lists ([1]). – robertsky (talk) 17:34, 27 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Passes the silly WP:FOOTBALL rule despite no evidence of any coverage remotely close to establishing WP:GNG. His age is irrelevant. Bring back Daz Sampson (talk) 14:10, 27 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep passes GNG, and ongoing career. This can be reviewed down the line.--Ortizesp (talk) 02:29, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Have we got evidence that he passes GNG? None has been presented yet. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 11:34, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose deletion. I will not express a view about whether Wei Changsheng passes the notability guidelines. I will not express a view about whether Wei Changsheng should have a standalone article. I am only commenting to oppose deletion.
The article notes that Wei Changsheng is a midfielder for Hebei China Fortune who was promoted to the senior team in the 2019 league season and debuted in the last game of the season. His team's 2019 season has an article at 2019 Hebei China Fortune F.C. season. Per Wikipedia:Deletion policy#Alternatives to deletion, if Wei Changsheng is determined to be non-notable, I recommend a merge to 2019 Hebei China Fortune F.C. season. If and when Wei Changsheng plays more games and receives significant coverage in reliable sources, the redirect can be undone and a standalone article restored.
Cunard (talk) 06:10, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - Wouldn't it be a redirect @Cunard: as a merge would merge all of this information into that seasonal article. HawkAussie (talk) 22:47, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  - I would support a redirect (with the history preserved under the redirect) to give editors the option to selectively merge some of the biographical material in Wei Changsheng to 2019 Hebei China Fortune F.C. season. The selective merge would need to comply with the due weight policy so any merge would focus on Wei Changsheng's contributions to the 2019 Hebei China Fortune F.C. season but could have a few sentences about him that's not related to the season.
    (To reiterate my comment so it's clear: "I will not express a view about whether Wei Changsheng passes the notability guidelines. I will not express a view about whether Wei Changsheng should have a standalone article. I am only commenting to oppose deletion.")
    Cunard (talk) 09:15, 2 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - A young player with an ongoing career. Unless evidence can be found that he has retired or moved to a much lower division with no hope of continuing a career at the top level, I see no reason for the page to be deleted yet. Davidlofgren1996 (talk) 14:44, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep passes WP:NFOOTY subject is 22 years with an ongoing career.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 22:19, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: No clear consensus, but the idea that the player passes NFOOTY but no sources indicating GNG, is not particularly satisfactory. Difficult to ignore all the keep votes, but at the same time there is little weight behind them. Can any keep voter provide a single source providing significant coverage? That would be a sensible start to this discussion? The local consensus arguments being put forward are not aligned to any guidelines. Feels difficult to close this as anything other than delete if proper sources cannot be presented following a second week of discussion.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Fenix down (talk) 23:34, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Wei Changsheng (simplified Chinese: 危常胜; traditional Chinese: 危常勝; pinyin: Wēi Chángshèng) is briefly mentioned in three Sina Sports articles about Hebei F.C.: (5 February 2021, 3 December 2019, and 2 March 2020). These are passing mentions so are not enough to meet pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline. But they are enough to meet Wikipedia:Verifiability, so I reiterate my opposition to deletion and my support of a selective merge to 2019 Hebei China Fortune F.C. season if it is determined that the subject should not have a standalone article.
(To reiterate my comment so it's clear: "I will not express a view about whether Wei Changsheng passes the notability guidelines. I will not express a view about whether Wei Changsheng should have a standalone article. I am only commenting to oppose deletion.")
Cunard (talk) 08:38, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.