Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/War of ideas (2nd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎. clpo13_(talk) 19:51, 3 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

War of ideas

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This article is an essay that builds heavily on WP:OR and WP:SYNTH. The article is about a vague general term that overlaps with Propaganda, Political warfare, Information operations and Soft power. There was a deletion discussion in 2010 that resulted in a "Keep" verdict based primarily on arguments that there are sources out there that use the term "War of ideas". However, it seems pretty clear that while sources use the term, there is no coherent, consistent use of the term. It's also clear that the general ideas associated with the term are already covered in more clearly scoped articles for coherent concepts (such as Propaganda, Political warfare, Information operations and Soft power). Since the 2010 discussion, the fact that the article still looks like an WP:OR essay should make it clear that there is no consistent core concept or idea on which to build a proper encyclopedic article. There are therefore good reasons to reconsider the status of the article and in my view delete it. The mere existence of a general phrase does not mean it merits a Wikipedia article. The phrase "war of ideas" is similar to phrases such as "battle of wits" and "war of the wills", yet we would not accept creating an article for the latter two phrases, even if there are countless sources that use those phrases. Thenightaway (talk) 14:10, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

~~Please fix the header~~ Thanks 😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 (talk) 18:16, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Journalism, Philosophy, Military, and Politics. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 20:16, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Information warfare -- this is duplicative of the concept cited in that article, which is far too heavy on a strictly military usage of the concept. A merge would improve that article and reduce the complexity of the encyclopaedia. Cheers, Last1in (talk) 16:33, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:49, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep This is a legitimate subject, as one can conclude by looking at the results of Google books search. There are even books entirely on this subject, for example [1]. In addition, this page maybe useful to creating page Political ideologies that we currently do not have (currently a redirect to Ideology#Political_ideologies). My very best wishes (talk) 19:55, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - there are plenty of good sources in the article, plus many more online. AfD is not for article improvement. Bearian (talk) 20:12, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:32, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel (talk) 03:44, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: very different article from Information warfare, the merge target. Information warfare article talks about use of propaganda during war while war of ideas article talks about (ideological) war with propaganda. War of ideas does not have any problem with WP:OR otherwise. If you read it, all non-trivial sentences are sourced. बिनोद थारू (talk) 03:50, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.