Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vittorino Milanesio

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎. Although there is some disagreement as to whether there are sufficient sources for notability, the concerns voiced by the nominator and the other "delete" opinion have been addressed by citing additional sources in the article. Their pertinence has remained contested only by the nominator, but not convincingly; they have not made any argument as to why the sources do not meet WP:GNG's requirements. (I revised this closure after being approached on my talk page.) Sandstein 17:33, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Vittorino Milanesio

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No SIGCOV found; sources intended to establish notability only mention Milanesio in passing. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 06:46, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople and Italy. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 06:46, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Olympics-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 11:36, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This looks like it should be a keep; this source comments that he was the joint-subject of a book. BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:37, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, I don't know Italian but in addition to the above book I was able to find another book from 2021 that says it has "an important section of the book dedicated" to Milanesio, which I added to the article. Thank you for nominating the article because it allows us to improve it by adding that other source. --Habst (talk) 23:12, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Book sections focusing on him from decades after his career indicate notability and show a pass of WP:SPORTCRIT/WP:GNG. BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:05, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting, it would help if editors could identify or link to new sources found so that others can evaluate them as well.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:29, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. The book in question is recounting the gatherings hosted by the committee the author is president of and just contains anecdotes from the subjects. This is not in any way independent enough.

JoelleJay (talk) 03:46, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@JoelleJay, thank you for voting. In addition to the two books we found so far, I found several more sources -- the ones I could machine translate I added to the article, which include important information that he ran alongside world record holder Pietro Mennea in winning the 1977 national championships. I also found several recent magazine articles about Milanesio (this isn't even including contemporary coverage) -- the problem is, I couldn't find a way to extract the text from them for machine translation, so I added them to Talk:Vittorino Milanesio. Do you by any chance know Italian so you can help us translate those three sources for the article? --Habst (talk) 00:21, 14 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: It would help to get another review of additional sources added to the article and listed on the article talk page.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:15, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment – the new sources added don't seem to fulfill notability guidelines – presiding over ceremonies and being on the cover of a book don't make you notable. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 04:27, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@InvadingInvader, thank you for the comment. If the books (there are two we've found so far) cover the subject in an independent, reliable, and significant manner, then they would fulfill WP:GNG per the letter of the policy. This isn't even considering the more recent magazine articles we've found on the talk page that still can be added to the article. --Habst (talk) 04:20, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep – More sources have now been located by Habst, and there are certainly more offline. Svartner (talk) 13:28, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.