Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Valhalla Game Studios

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. JodyB talk 13:00, 19 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Valhalla Game Studios

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This should have been speedily deleted for no indication of significance. However an IP (likely just the original author logged out) contested the speedy for the following reason: 218 results on google news in English, 303 results in Japanese . 60 employees according to the official website. As we know, that statement isn't enough to establish WP:N, but technically since it was contested by "another user" we will have to go through AfD. -War wizard90 (talk) 01:55, 11 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Computing-related deletion discussions. -War wizard90 (talk) 01:55, 11 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Video games-related deletion discussions. -War wizard90 (talk) 01:56, 11 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Japan-related deletion discussions. -War wizard90 (talk) 01:56, 11 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Not seeing any third-party sourcing or in-depth coverage to demonstrate that the subject of this article satisfies the basic notability criteria. Notability is not inherited by one of its employees being independently notable. --DAJF (talk) 02:57, 11 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - I agree they don't inherit notability from their notable co-founder, but they have received significant coverage in multiple reliable sources with regard to their development of Devil's Third which was missing from the article. I've added that to the article along with instances of significant coverage. Sure, much of that still relates to the co-founder's previous work but the company has confirmed contracts with Nintendo and their game was announced at E3 last year. There's probably enough there for me, but I totally understand the nomination here. St★lwart111 08:17, 11 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Thanks for giving us some additional background info, while this company may become notable, I still think this isWP:TOOSOON, what we have is a fledgling company with some notable people trying to release a quality video game. However, to date they have failed to release a single game, and they also failed to release Devil's Third for PS3 and XBOX 360 as originally planned and have now scaled it back to a Nintendo only release, which may more may not come to fruition, and even if it is released may could just be a flop. That being said, the only thing going here is that there does appear to be some coverage in reliable sources, but is it enough to be considered extensive? -War wizard90 (talk) 04:04, 12 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Well, it was founded in 2009, so it's hardly a "fledgling company". Ha ha. Yes, the plan was to release it for PS3 and Xbox 360 but they didn't "fail" at that attempt - partner company THQ (the PS3/Xbox link) went belly-up and Valhalla went to Nintendo who signed them that day, after a single meeting, sight-unseen. But you're right - none of that really matters - the issue is whether reliable sources have given the company significant coverage. I think they have, but I won't hold anyone's feet to the fire. St★lwart111 05:32, 12 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • I agree that the game without a doubt has more than enough coverage, the problem is does the company? Try finding a single source about Valhalla that isn't just talking about the release of that game with a mention as to Valhalla as the creator. I guess I could see the argument that at this time, that game is what defines the company and any source talking about the game could also be considered "extensive coverage" for the studio, I guess I'm on the fence about it now. I'll wait and see what others have to say that might sway me one direction or the other, but my mind is more open to keeping this article than it was before. -War wizard90 (talk) 05:52, 12 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Very reasonable of you; your analysis is pretty spot on. St★lwart111 06:30, 12 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • 3 articles in Gamebusiness.jp, one on the formation of the studio, one reporting they will announce a new title at E3 2010 (no mention of what the game was) and one on the game Devil's Third. [1]126.59.94.184 (talk) 10:13, 12 March 2015 (UTC) — 126.59.94.184 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
  • Keep. I'm the person who reinstated the article and I'm not the author of the original article. Nice insinuating there though - if you know you're on unsteady grounds, focus less on facts and instead attempt smear tacticts. The fact that Valhalla have been around for 6 years and have received a lot of coverage in both Japanese and English tells me they are bigger than their founder. They/their games have been mentionde in Famitsu a bunch of times, I get 76 googits for site:famitsu.com "ヴァルハラゲームスタジオ". To claim they're not notable seems ridiculous.126.59.94.184 (talk) 10:05, 12 March 2015 (UTC) — 126.59.94.184 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
There's a misunderstanding here, btw. I didn't contend the speedy deletion, I restored an old version of the page which had a "speedy deletion" tag (and was subsequently made a redirect to one of the foudners). When I realized I had included the tag by mistake, I made a 2nd edit to remove it.126.59.94.184 (talk) 10:09, 12 March 2015 (UTC) — 126.59.94.184 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
First of all I said "likely the original author" not "definitely the original author." There's a big difference, and anyone looking at the edit history can see why I might reasonably suspect that. Second, I would be more inclined to believe you if multiple socks hadn't already edited the page and caused an admin to semi-protect it, and then the first IP (you) to edit the article after the protection expired reverts the community consensus redirect and puts back all the old info that was repeatedly nominated for speedy/changed into a redirect by several other editors and admins. Finally, your first contributions to Wikipedia were to undo a redirect, and include and edit summary on Valhalla Game Studios? Obviously this is not the first time you've edited on Wikipedia. So instead of continued edit warring in the article that has happened historically I brought it to AfD where a conclusive consensus could be reached by the community, there is no reason for you to take offense to it. If you bothered to read the previous comments in the AfD you would see that I have changed my view and think they article may be worth keeping. Although I still have some WP:CRYSTAL and WP:TOOSOON concerns, either way, there is no reason for you to come here and attack my nomination. -War wizard90 (talk) 03:38, 14 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:36, 12 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - There's enough coverage to justify an article, as several aspects of the company have been covered by many sources. (Itagaki's leaving his prior company to start this one up, the problems with THQ's closure, Nintendo working with the company to save one of its projects, etc. The company may not have any game output, but they've certainly been through a lot, and it's been documented by third party reliable sources. There's enough to write an article here, it just needs a lot of cleanup. Sergecross73 msg me 16:45, 18 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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