Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Thong (footballer)

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The result was merge to Thong (disambiguation) -- JHunterJ (talk) 12:15, 28 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thong (footballer)

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Disambiguation page created due to mistaken page moves which have since been reverted. Almost all Thai people have nicknames, and are referred to by them in informal contexts, in much the same way given names are used in English. But it is implausible, in most cases, that anyone would try to look up a person by nickname alone. We don't have a David (footballer) disambiguation page and expect David Beckham, David Platt (footballer) and others to be listed there. The same would apply here. G7 declined by RHaworth, so bringing to AfD. Paul_012 (talk) 16:19, 21 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

keep - nom's arguments are unconvincing. If a person is commonly known by a certain nickname and the article says so, the latter is a valid candidate for disambig. Staszek Lem (talk) 17:22, 21 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm not sure how better to explain this than to reiterate the parallel with given names in English. The two mentioned Thongchais are no more known by "Thong" as David Beckham is known by "David". --Paul_012 (talk) 17:32, 21 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  - Footballers named David are at List of people named David#Athletes. -- Tavix ^(talk) 18:29, 21 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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~~Merge~~ with Thong (disambiguation) per WP:INCOMPDAB. The resulting redirect would be a {{R from incomplete disambiguation}}. -- Tavix ^(talk) 18:29, 21 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Thongchai now that it has been created. -- Tavix ^(talk) 18:00, 22 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, don't merge. The list of people named Johnny is at Johnny, not Johnny (disambiguation); the list of people named Chuck is at Chuck, not Chuck (disambiguation). The list of people who use the nickname Thong should not be included in Thong (disambiguation), but should be included in an article called Thong (nickname) or something (to disambiguate from Thong (surname) and Thong), but that article should only be created if the stand-alone list notability criteria is met. Leviv ich 22:46, 21 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Merge with Thong (disambiguation) per WP:INCOMPDAB. People known by a nickname are commonly included with lists ofgiven nameholders. older ≠ wiser 09:50, 22 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Merge with Thong (disambiguation) per WP:INCOMPDAB. --Lerdsuwa (talk) 11:36, 22 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment (as nom): I'm in agreement with Levivich in that while the name may or may not warrant a name-list WP:set index article, it does not warrant inclusion on the main disambiguation page, since readers will not be searching for the persons by this name alone. Merging into Thong (disambiguation) would be a gross violation of the WP:NAMELIST section of the WP:Disambiguation guideline, which states: "Articles on people should be listed at the disambiguation page for their first or last name only if they are reasonably well known by it." This is not the case for either subject here. --Paul_012 (talk) 16:45, 22 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Both footballers are known as "Thong", so it is reasonable for someone to use "Thong" to try to find them, which is what the disambiguation page is for. -- Tavix ^(talk) 16:55, 22 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  - The guideline uses "reasonably well known", and gives the following example:
    We reasonably expect to see Abraham Lincoln at Lincoln (disambiguation), but very few sources would refer to the waltz composer Harry J. Lincoln by an unqualified "Lincoln", so he is only listed at the Lincoln (surname) anthroponymy article. This is even more widespread for first names—many highly notable people are called Herb, but typing in Herb gets you an article on plants. Herb (disambiguation) does not even list any people named "Herb", but instead links to Herb (surname) and Herb (given name), where articles on people named "Herb" are listed.
    No one would expect to find either footballer referred to by an unqualified "Thong". --Paul_012 (talk) 17:18, 22 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    - Abraham and Herb are common names that are covered by their respective name SIAs, so people named Abraham or Herb should not be individually listed at the disambiguation pages. Similarly, Thong Khon isn't and shouldn't be listed at Thong (disambiguation) because it's covered by Thong (surname). There isn't a nickname page for Thong, so it needs to be covered by the disambiguation itself. If it is only these two footballers who are known as Thong, then those footballers should be listed at the disambiguation. If it's a nickname for all people named Thongchai, then the disambiguation should link to Thongchai, where these footballers are listed. -- Tavix ^(talk) 17:27, 22 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
      Isn't Thong an (obvious) hypocorism of Thongchai, like John/Jonathan, Tom/Thomas? I imagine there are a lot of people in the world with the name Thongchai who go by Thong. Wouldn't creating the redirects Thong Sukkoki -> Thongchai Sukkoki and Thong Rathchai -> Thongchai Rathchai solve the search problem? Leviv ich 17:33, 22 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
      I would be fine with redirecting Thong (footballer) to Thongchai and adding Thongchai to Thong (disambiguation). I didn't see that Thongchai existed when I made my original !vote, but that logic makes sense to me. -- Tavix ^(talk) 17:39, 22 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
      Tavix, you didn't see it because it didn't exist when you made your original !vote :-) Glad it was created and I agree with your logic as well. Leviv ich 17:53, 22 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
      Thanks for checking the history for me! :) I've added Thongchai to Thong (disambiguation) now. -- Tavix ^(talk) 17:58, 22 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Merge with Thong per above. Worth noting the disambig page does not have (disambiguation) in the title. Not that that should be relevant to this discussion. Smartyllama (talk) 11:34, 25 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Merge & redirect as above. Giant Snowman 13:16, 25 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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