Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Stewart Kosoy

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Keep, but barely. I think Bearian's statement says it best (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 23:31, 21 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Stewart Kosoy

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A "video game industry professional". Appears sockpuppetry has been going on. In an old version, only two of the five refs actually mention Kosoy and one of the refs is an interview. I removed a Moby games ref as Moby refs are unreliable. Current revision has only one non ref. There is no reliable and independent references that go into detail about Kosoy and very little mention anything at all. Prod was contested. Here is the last version before SPAs/sockpuppets went to town Bgwhite (talk) 05:53, 30 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of video game-related deletion discussions. (G·N·B·S·RS·Talk) Bgwhite (talk) 05:54, 30 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete I tried to find sources about this guy, and while I found bits here and there that mentioned his name, I was unable to find any in-depth coverage of him. Dori ☾Talk ⁘ Contribs☽ 06:52, 30 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comments:
  • If this ends up deleted, it'll probably be time to also look at William Todd Tribell and Digital Capital Corporation.
  • I'm not sure who you're referring to as "SPAs/sockpuppets"; I dearly hope that I'm not included! So far as I can tell, the only new COI editor that's shown up to add fluff to this article is Derek3422 (talk · contribs).
  • IMO, the version of the page as you AFD'd it was a travesty. I've merged the better version back in (keeping the AFD, of course), so that uninvolved editors can see that the article has had some references. Dori ☾Talk ⁘ Contribs☽ 06:52, 30 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • I gave the version that had the refs, but because with all the SPAs running around, I didn't know what is good and bad to do a restore with. However, I think you made the right call. User:Danish pasty is a SPA, but as you said, didn't add fluff. I totally think you are a SPA... Special Person Always. Bgwhite (talk) 07:26, 30 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 14:56, 30 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep This person (Kosoy) has made significant contributions to the video game industry for decades and is well known by many of the bigget executives in that industry. according to wikipedia, "As of April 3, 2010, a proposed deletion process for unsourced biographies was established, requiring all biographies of living persons created after March 18, 2010 to have at least one reliable source that supports at least one statement about the subject." There is at least one reliable source. There is no funnny business going on here - that person is exactly who it says him to be. I may not have done a great job writing the article, no doubt there - it can be cleaned up with some assistance. But the subject of the article is without question LEGIT! Rasteryze (talk) 15:41, 1 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
* The news tab above this discussion shows an article in Bloomberg Business week confirms that Kosoy was indeed an officer at Sega. That wasn’t cited in Kosoy’s article but should be if the following doesnt apply.
* In the reference that BGWHITE said was an interview, the journalist clearly introduces Kosoy (before the interview) as having worked for GT interactive, MGM and Sega as was correctly cited in the original article and was obviously familiar with Kosoy’s reputation as the introduction indicates with more about Battlefield and Digital Illusions, etc. The citation in the Wikipedia article was not referring to the interview, but to the reported introduction. This article was written by a well known senior editor of one of the industry’s biggest news sources.
* Other references showing Kosoy and ISM were hosting a charity poker tournament raising money for childrens charity was completely deleted. Dorismith unilaterally determined that as “not important”, deleted it and in a later edit (06:32, 30 May 2012‎ ) indicated that another users version “sucked”. By the rules of Wikipedia, this article should not be deleted because one or two editors simply does not feel that it is not worthy or because they think the work “sucked”. There are verifiable documented sources on the subject of this article, even the deleted charity mention, and could be many others me and other people have yet to find like many wikipedia articles. I personally dont think Mary Kay Ash is noteworthy, but probalby thousands of ladies do. I still wouldnt delete her article.
* The article that was edited by Danish pasty at 12:37, 29 May 2012 is certainly cleaner than my original version, except for the removal of the charity, which in my opinion is a noteworthy mention of the subject. It would be good starting place for the article to grow.Rasteryze (talk) 03:47, 2 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
— Note to closing admin: Rasteryze (talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this XfD. Dori ☾Talk ⁘ Contribs☽ 00:20, 5 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Just to clarify some of User:Rasteryze's statements above:
    • I have no problem with User:Danish pasty's version, as his edits to my previous version were fairly minor. It was User:Derek3422 (a friend of Kosoy's) who made a mess of things, as I said on his talk page.
    • Yes, I believe that these edits resulted in a version that sucked. Note that almost all the references were removed—for instance, [4] does not actually create a ref out of thin air. The only two remaining refs don't display, because the {{reflist}} tag was removed and then improperly re-added. Wikilinks were screwed up, including changing Quake to link to Quake instead of Quake (video game), "DICE" to link to Dice instead of EA Digital Illusions CE, and Toxic Crusader to link to Toxic Crusaders instead of Toxic Crusaders (video game). Game titles, which had been italicized per WP:MOSTITLE, were reverted.
    • My issue with the charitable work is that the source provided doesn't support the claim that's made. For instance, the claim was made that "Kosoy organized a charity event hosted by his agency together with Starlight Children's Foundation…" The source, though, just says that ISM organized the event and that Kosoy made a statement on behalf of ISM—that is, while Kosoy worked for ISM, it's never stated that Kosoy himself worked on the tournament. Additionally, Starlight isn't listed as hosting or organizing the event; they're just the recipients of the money raised. Consequently, I had no problems cutting that paragraph, as there wasn't much left once everything unsourced was cut.
    • You state above that I wrote that something was "not important", but I cannot find anywhere I used that phrase. Diffs, please?
Let's keep this about the article content versus attacking editors and WP:OSE, shall we? Dori ☾Talk ⁘ Contribs☽ 00:20, 5 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete reads like a CV. Although I'm sure this guy has had a great career, he seems no more notable than the average game industry executive. Maratrean (talk) 10:39, 9 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Black Kite (talk) 12:22, 9 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per rationale from User:Maratrean. There's no WP:SIGCOV to indicate he has notability among his peers. --Teancum (talk) 19:40, 13 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per WP:CREATIVE, provided a number of the Selected games have been the subject of [...] multiple independent periodical articles or reviews. -- Trevj (talk) 09:06, 18 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per GNG, based on the RS currently in ther article. He's not the most famous person (never heard of him), but there are enough sources to show notability. See WP:HEY - this has been imporved in the past 2 weeks to get over the hurdle. Bearian (talk) 22:56, 18 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment - as of right now, the article has not been touched in the last 16 days. Dori ☾Talk ⁘ Contribs☽ 23:02, 18 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment - DoriSmith, you seem to be adamant to get rid of this article. And my interest is to clean it up and make it presentable to account for and record a person who has done great things in that industry. His projects are not at all ordinary. They are some of the most notable successes in history setting him apart from many in that business. My wiki abilities might be lacking, but my intention is good. You behave as if you have an extreme prejudice and personal conflict of interest. I woudl like to reach out to you to shift your approach to contriubte positively to makeit a better article.Rasteryze (talk) 11:03, 19 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: this is a notable individual. He has be noticed by plenty of external media sources OracleB (talk) 11:52, 21 June 2012 (UTC)— OracleB (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
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