Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Staplers
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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Α Guy into Books™ § (Message) - 19:06, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
Staplers
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Notability and complete lack of sourcing.
Possibly rename to "Staplers Road, Newport, Isle of Wight" which is a demonstrable real road and does probably give its name to some minor area around it. But even then, there's no evident sourcing out there to support even that much. Andy Dingley (talk) 22:20, 9 September 2017 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:GEOLAND as this is a historic area and there are plenty of sources out there. Andrew D. (talk) 22:34, 9 September 2017 (UTC)
- Then perhaps you'd care to add some of those "plenty of sources". Because if they aren't there, they don't count. And in what way is this area "historic"? What happened here? Where is that recorded? I don't dispute that there is a long road called "Staplers Road" running out of Newport and such roads do tend to give their name to places, but it needs to demonstrably pass WP:GNG if it's to stay. WP:GEOLAND does not overrule this, as there is no indication that the area has any sort of legal recognition under this name. Andy Dingley (talk) 00:05, 10 September 2017 (UTC)
- Regarding the history note this 1866 Ordnance Survey map features the hamlets of Staplers, North Staplers and Little Staplers, as well as the geographic features Staplers Hill, Staplers Heath and Staplers Copse, as well as Staplers Turnpike and Staplers Farm.--Pontificalibus (talk) 11:53, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
- Besides the good points made by Pontificalibus, note that, in no case, does WP:GEOLAND suggest that anything be deleted because there's always the option of merging into some broader geographical region. Andrew D. (talk) 12:05, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
- Then perhaps you'd care to add some of those "plenty of sources". Because if they aren't there, they don't count. And in what way is this area "historic"? What happened here? Where is that recorded? I don't dispute that there is a long road called "Staplers Road" running out of Newport and such roads do tend to give their name to places, but it needs to demonstrably pass WP:GNG if it's to stay. WP:GEOLAND does not overrule this, as there is no indication that the area has any sort of legal recognition under this name. Andy Dingley (talk) 00:05, 10 September 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 23:08, 9 September 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of United Kingdom-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 23:09, 9 September 2017 (UTC)
- Delete If there are sources out there, I'm having difficulty finding them. Searching for "Staplers" alone brings up mainly devices for inserting staples. Searching for "Staplers" and "Isle of Wight" or "Staplers" and "Newport" both bring up mentions, but mostly only for traffic incidents. Not saying that the term doesn't have relevance for locals, but it doesn't seem to have wider notability sufficient to meet WP:GNG. PohranicniStraze (talk) 02:44, 10 September 2017 (UTC)
- Keep per this source and the sources linked therefrom: [1]. Also discussed in Hockey, S.F. Quarr Abbey and Its Lands, 1132-1631. p. 73. ISBN 9780718510879.--Pontificalibus (talk) 11:43, 10 September 2017 (UTC)
- Is that using the road's name to describe an area? Or is it claiming that the road takes its name from an earlier name of Stakelhurst or Staplehurst for the area? If so, that would be a good claim for it, but the sourcing is still a bit vague. Andy Dingley (talk) 16:31, 10 September 2017 (UTC)
- I am pretty sure the road would have been named later. The source I gave describes Staplehurst as a parcel of land which was a constituent part of a Manor and then it became a Monastic grange. So it was first an area of land, and by the nineteenth century had become known as a settlement outside of Newport (e.g. https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=9jsAAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA135 1). For geographic places with sources supporting their historical existence I would tend to err on the side of keep at AfD because it's highly likely that sufficient sources could be found offline in historical documents and archives, should someone be inclined to look for them. If we look to WP:GEO the relevant part would be "Populated, legally recognized places are typically presumed to be notable, even if their population is very low. Even abandoned places can remain notable, because notability encompasses their entire history." It may or not be a "legally recognised place" at the moment, having been subsumed into Newport, but it certainly was historically. --Pontificalibus (talk) 09:19, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
- Is that using the road's name to describe an area? Or is it claiming that the road takes its name from an earlier name of Stakelhurst or Staplehurst for the area? If so, that would be a good claim for it, but the sourcing is still a bit vague. Andy Dingley (talk) 16:31, 10 September 2017 (UTC)
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