Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/St John's Square

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Snowball keep, nomination withdrawn. Non-admin closure. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(((Broken clamshells • Otter chirps)))} 00:04, 21 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

St John's Square

Feigning notability by association; geographical location apparently features a monument to a notable personality. The idea of merging the content seems reasonable, but having a redirect does not. --Aarktica 19:02, 20 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

UPDATE: Nomination withdrawn; I hope that the energy of this snowball is used to improve the entry. --Aarktica 23:34, 20 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

keep - I'm willing to have my opinion changed. However, this is a town square in front of a cathedral in the capital city of Malta. As such, I suspect that, within the context of the people of Malta, this is a notable square. AllGloryToTheHypnotoad 19:16, 20 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per AllGloryToTheHypnotoad. Note: I have added a Malta-geo-stub and link to the article. FlowerpotmaN·(t) 19:35, 20 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Strong keep. I've added the square's geographic coordinates. This is an important square in front of an outstanding church in central Valletta. Clearly notable. Needs a pic though. --Targeman 19:44, 20 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
My gut says keep. Admittedly, I'm not finding much on the English web, but the place is home to a fountain by the notable Maltese sculptor Mariano Gerada. I strongly suspect that more information exists in Maltese-language sources (or even English paper sources).Zagalejo 19:50, 20 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I can't find any guidelines for inclusion about articles on geography, guidelines for their notability or otherwise. Does anyone know of any? As of now, I feel we'd need an expert on Malta to verify notability. I'll abstain until I hear more about the deletion/inclusion process for geographic articles. Eliz81^(talk)^(contribs) 21:01, 20 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Would contacting members of Wikipedia:WikiProject Malta be appropriate? If so, I will gladly contact them. Eliz81 ^(talk)^(contribs) 21:03, 20 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That would probably be a good idea. As it stands, Malta's so small, and so under-represented, I'd think that it'd be pretty harmless to keep any reasonable article on the island. But then again, it may also be harmless to merge this article into Valletta, or the article on the Cathedral if an article exists on it, until such time as there is more subject matter.AllGloryToTheHypnotoad 21:13, 20 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, they'll probably be pleased to help out. I've ask all sorts of wikiprojects for help or advice - people like sharing their expertise. Ask away! Totnesmartin 21:15, 20 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Malta project contacted! Can't wait for their input. And until then, why the heck isn't there a WP:GEO to cite for AfD yet!? Geography is a major portal, I can't believe there's no official Wikipedia policy on this. Eliz81 ^(talk)^(contribs) 21:29, 20 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I'm mostly focused on geography articles and from what I see even the tiniest and most obscure hamlets are considered notable, as are city districts, large squares, major thoroughfares, etc. Articles on geography are rarely AfDd. So I'd say that a large, several-hundred-years-old square in front of one of the most important churches of a capital city passes the notability test with flying colors. --Targeman 21:15, 20 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I see no need to delete. We have stub templates for a reason, and notability is not an issue. --Son 21:32, 20 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Major plazas and squares in capital cities seem to have a general precedent for inclusion. I will agree that a picture would be very beneficial for inclusion, as obviously would any text expansion. matt91486 22:37, 20 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep and lets actually make this stub into an article. -- Anonymous Dissident^Talk 23:18, 20 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keeeeep! — I sure ain't ready to see this kind of subjects disappear. Richness of our Encyclopedia would certainly not benefit from deleting such topics, but would rather come from expanding those. What would Valletta be without St John's Square? I've been there only once, during a few days — as many sailors — and St John's is engraved forever in my head. I can guess what this would mean from Maltese… This article should be expanded by competent writers (what I am not in this case). — Іван Коренюк ψ Ivan Korenyuk 23:22, 20 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.