Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sino Japanese Wars and Conflicts

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The result was delete. The Bushranger _{One ping only} 00:17, 2 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sino Japanese Wars and Conflicts

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Non-encyclopedic, pointless article. Alex^{discussion ★} 12:47, 17 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Tentative delete The article's in a horrible state, but that's not in itself a reason for deletion. I'd argue that the topic is definitely notable. However, virtually all the potential content could find an equally good home at Sino-Japanese relations, which already has sections on all major conflicts between the two nations. Hence, no need for this possibly coat-rack article. Yunshui (talk) 13:47, 17 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of China-related deletion discussions. — • Gene93k (talk) 14:37, 17 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Japan-related deletion discussions. — • Gene93k (talk) 14:38, 17 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. — • Gene93k (talk) 14:38, 17 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

If u all think that this is not a notable article then first delete Indo-Pakistani wars and conflicts. It is a notable including military history of both countries. PRC and Japan have fought more wars then India and Pakistan. It is an artilce relating to military and military of both countries.--Jozoisis (talk) 16:16, 17 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Author should have created it in sandbox.--Day000Walker (talk) 17:14, 17 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. The wiki on "Indo-Pakistani wars and conflicts" is about armed clashes and wars that have happened since 1947 between two clearly identified modern states whose relationship has been mainly characterized by conflict. In this wiki, however, "China" and "Japan" refer to a large number of different polities whose relations did not become mainly conflictual until the very late 19th century. Apart from the two Sino-Japanese Wars of 1894-1895 and 1937-1945, we have: a seventh-century battle that did not even mainly oppose "China" and "Japan"; Wokou piracy (certainly not a conflict between China and Japan, since no Japanese state was involved, and because the Wokou also counted Chinese and Koreans among their ranks); the Mongol invasions of Japan (why the Mongol Empire should represent "China" is not explained); the Japanese invasions of Korea in 1592 and 1598 (a real war); and a boat collision incident that took place in 2010. I know of no reliable source that could conceivably discuss all these together. Even if we got rid of the atrocious English, removed the main editor's personal analysis ("China was like one of the superpowers on Earth in early times"; "the causes of many wars become Korea and Taiwan"), and added meaningful and well-referenced information on each event, we would only end up with a WP:COATRACK, that is, an "excessive focus on one aspect of the subject" of Sino-Japanese relations. Excessive focus on conflict in Sino-Japanese relations would violate WP:NPOV, and the miscellaneous nature of the events discussed would constitute either WP:original research or WP:SYNTHESIS. A page which, even in the best case scenario, would still violate two of Wikipedia's three content policies (WP:NPOV and WP:NOR) should clearly be deleted. Madalibi (talk) 10:11, 18 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, v/r - T P 03:03, 25 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - I don't see any source that treat this group of conflicts as an organic whole. This assortment is better handled as a Category or List. Here are some categories that already exist:

Here are two categories that list the conflicts between two groups:

So perhaps a new category could be created Category:Wars between China and Japan. --Noleander (talk) 05:49, 25 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete A list of further reading and a synthesis/collation/metastudy of conflicts between 1900 China and 1900 Japan. POV pushing article trying to highlight a original-research deduction of perpetual hatred between these 2 culture.Curb Chain (talk) 12:17, 1 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.