Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sander "Vo0" Kaasjager

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The result was keep. – Juliancolton | ^Talk 18:24, 14 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Sander "Vo0" Kaasjager

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It would seem to me that the assertions made in this article are not supported by reliable third-party sources.

It's 2015. If this asserted player of Esports started his playing professionally in 2006, it would seem reasonable that an e-trail in reliable gamer references would have followed his career.

At present there are six purported refeferences:

http://www.own3d.tv/watch/cpma-done-by-vo0,10524.html - "The requested URL /watch/cpma-done-by-vo0,10524.html was not found on this server."
http://thecpl.com/league/?s=news&p=newsitem_1015

- "Page Not Found (Error 404) - The file may have been removed or renamed. Be sure to check your spelling. If all else fails, you can go back to the page you came from, return to the homepage, or try searching (top right).

http://www.esworldcup.com/2004/?act=document_info&id_document=350

- "Firefox can't find the server at www.esworldcup.com."

http://www.qpad.se/modules/news/article.php?storyid=359

- [view-source:http://www.qpad.se/modules/news/article.php?storyid=359 viewing the source code] doesn't even bring up the standard 404 error.

[http://asiangames.sporttu.com/athletes/sander-kaasjager-2522292/preview# a mention that a person named Sander Kaasjager may have played NCAA Tennis

another mention of a person of the same name who may have played College tennis and may be the same person Shirt58 (talk) 11:12, 20 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Netherlands-related deletion discussions. Human3015^TALK 13:39, 20 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Human3015^TALK 13:40, 20 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep A google search of sander kaasjager or Vo0 brings a up a multitude of reliable secondary sources not used in the article. For instance [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6][7][8][9][10][11][12] He is also discussed at length in TL Taylor's Raising the Stakes: E-Sports and the Professionalization of Computer Gaming --Prisencolin (talk) 16:18, 22 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Ref bombardment is not particularly helpful. Why are these sources reliable (not just blogs, if not already vetted at WP:VG/RS) and how much do they actually cover the subject? czar 04:49, 24 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Not going through all of the sources (some of them probably aren't the best i'll admit) [13]: From MTV so it should reasonably establish notability. [14] Red Bull seems to be an organiation dedicated to journalistic excellence so it looks alright. Vo0 is not the primary focus but its still enough imho. [15][16][17][18] are from the VG/RS search engine and are primarily focused on the player. The article in its current state is pretty horribly sourced and should be fixed.--Prisencolin (talk) 02:40, 26 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

He was covered in several stories in Algemeen Dagblad, the second largest newspaper in the Netherlands. Stories in NRC Handelsblad, another prominent Dutch news outlet: [19]

--Prisencolin (talk) 02:45, 26 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, looking through the sources given in the above ref bombardment, there seems to be more than enough to establish notability. MTV and Redbull are commonly used and I assume are reliable. The book and the BBC article also work well. The rest are of varying quality, but at least some of the Dutch sources (Tweakers in particular) are reliable. Oddly enough, the source from Gamersnet.nl and from Gamer.nl don't seem to be working correctly for me. However, I do suggest it to be moved to Vo0 per common name and article naming guidelines. ~Mable (chat) 15:03, 25 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Shirt58: something went wrong when the link to this debate got posted on my Talk page. I didn't really understand what it meant and didn't know this debate was actually going. I pinged you, but you didn't respond either. I figured I'd let you know that something didn't go entirely right, which was annoying. ~Mable (chat) 15:03, 25 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Video games-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:32, 26 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 03:03, 29 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 07:52, 6 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 16:51, 13 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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