Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Paul Jenkins (fighter)

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The result was delete. MBisanz ^talk 00:27, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Paul Jenkins (fighter)

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MMA fighter with only 1 top tier fight so he fails WP:NMMA. The coverage of him all seemed to be routine sports reporting.Mdtemp (talk) 21:19, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Keep - Step away from going directly to the MMA guidelines as that only further defines general notability. First, does he meet WP:GNG? Looking at generally notability, I would say yes (barely), but not like he would want. According to the Bleacher Report, he holds the record (actually he is 2nd) for most losses by TKO [1]. There is also coverage in MMA Universe for what it is worth. The article in its current form is too promotional. I say strip it down to what the references say, create it as a stub, and make it about what he is notable for (losing fights). --FoolMeOnce2Times (talk) 00:21, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think a one line mention about his number of TKO losses and a PR release from a promotion touting its next card qualify as the significant independent coverage required by WP:GNG.Mdtemp (talk) 18:03, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

If you look at all the sherdog sources they're lists of fight results. No publications actually about the fighter and as a result are not close to meeting GNG. Mkdw ^talk 23:43, 27 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. czar · · 00:25, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions. czar · · 00:26, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of United Kingdom-related deletion discussions. czar · · 00:27, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Fails to meet WP:NMMA and WP:GNG. He lacks both notable MMA fights and significant non-routine coverage. 204.126.132.231 (talk) 13:32, 25 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep Narrowly passes WP:GNG. Sepulwiki (talk) 12:14, 26 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Can you please point out the significant independent coverage of this fighter? The article's sources are routine results reporting (mainly by Sherdog) and I agree with Mdtemp's assessment of the sources mentioned by FoolMeOnce2Times. Papaursa (talk) 18:26, 27 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to point out that Sepulwiki !votes 100% keep on every AFD (which have all been MMA articles) and holds only a 29% !vote to consensus match. I bring this up because no specific guideline argument has been made except 'it's notable' which is an argument to avoid. Mkdw ^talk 23:38, 27 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete — Fails WP:GNG and WP:NMMA. LlamaAl (talk) 17:41, 27 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Another fight with no WP:SIGCOV and 2 top tier fights shy of meeting WP:NMMA. I had to remove several references that did not even mention Jenkins (in fact 3 of them did not even lead to pages that existed nor did Google have archived). The remaining sources are only event listing results with nothing focused on Jenkins. Mkdw ^talk 23:38, 27 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Since he fails to meet WP:NMMA and no one has provided any sources that show he meets WP:GNG. Papaursa (talk) 21:31, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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