Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Parallel Sailor Moon

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Merge and redirect as stated in the discussion. - DiligentTerrier (and friends)20:37, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Parallel Sailor Moon

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Extremely unnotable short story included within a Sailor Moon artbook. No significant coverage in any reliable sources. The single book reference is only a reference to idea that women of house should be able to manage the finances. Entire work is a double plot summary of a short 19 page manga omake. It fails WP:FICT, WP:N (verifiability of existance is not enough to say its notable), WP:V, and the artbook itself fails WP:BOOK. The anime and manga project generally does not include omake and other shorts like this in discussing series, as its a non-notable aspect of the work, so merging to Sailor Moon would not be appropriate, therefore this should simply be deleted. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 23:23, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • If its existance is verifiable than it does pass WP:V. That's what WP:V is all about. The notablity issue, however, is real -- it's rare for a short story to be notable on its own, and there does not appear to be any reliable sources supporting that it has been noted. Delete or possibly redirect to Sailor Moon as a plausible search term. —Quasirandom (talk) 00:29, 25 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sorry, was having a moment. No idea why I added V when just meant it to be N :P -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 00:36, 25 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Based on comments below, changing suggested redirect to List of Sailor Moon chapters as a better target. —Quasirandom (talk) 22:43, 25 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge and redirect - There have been plans for a long time to eventually work up a page about the various side-stories, special acts, omake, etc. from the various Sailor Moon media. Whether this will be its own article or just get worked into the existing articles is up in the air right now, but the idea has always been to get rid of this article as soon as we can. However, I'd like to preserve its edit history. Instead of deleting, can we just point it toward List of Sailor Moon chapters for now, and then somewhere else if another location becomes better? --Masamage ♫ 00:37, 25 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Why? It has absolutely nothing to do with the chapters, nor are any of the variu sside-stories, etc particularly notable. Just being Sailor Moon oriented does not mean instant notability. It isn't notable at all. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 00:52, 25 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • It's included in the rereleased manga volumes, as you can see at the list of chapters. I agree that it's not notable enough to support an entire article, but it should redirect to the one other article that mentions its existence. --Masamage ♫ 01:23, 25 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • It doesn't even warrant a mention in the chapter list. Its only mentioned now because the chapter list is in serious need of clean up. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 03:59, 25 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • You don't think the contents of the short story books should be discussed or mentioned or named whatsoever? --Masamage ♫ 04:07, 25 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • The art books are mentioned in the main article. Their detailed contents d not need to be discussed/mentioned/named. Again, at most a note that in artbook X, some additional short stories were included. A full blown article is excessive, and it has absolutely nothing to do with the actual chapters nor volume of the manga series itself. Merging it there would just be glutting the list with unrelated stuff. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 04:23, 25 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oh, sure, I don't think everything from this article should be merged in, or even close to that. Hecks no. But at least its title should appear somewhere, and in my opinion the short stories are just as deserving of brief (brief!) summaries as the chapters are, especially since some of them turned into movies or TV specials, and it would be weird to cover some and not the others. Mostly, though, what I'm arguing for is the redirect itself, and the preservation of the edit history. I don't really care what specific information gets put exactly where. --Masamage ♫ 04:36, 25 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't that's an appropriate merge. Its an unnotable little short. It isn't a chapter and wasn't part of the original manga release at all. Being added as an extra in the re-releases, which are normally only mentioned in a single line in the lead, does not make it any more relevant. All we'll end up with is another cruddy mere like as done with the One Piece side stories were shoved into the One Piece chapter list. It has nothing to do with anything and it would be removed before the chapter list could ever go for FL status (not that its anywhere close to that now). -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 03:59, 25 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • That's just your opinion, and I've given mine. It's a perfectly legitimate section for that page as it's a chapter of the manga, albeit a 外伝 chapter, and as long as it's mentioned that it was not in the original manga release, but a short released in a different series-related book, I don't see a problem mentioning it. I don't think everything in the current article needs to be included, but I see no legitimate reason to just wipe out the information altogether. Having a short section with information on it is useful and makes the information more complete. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 05:49, 25 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge a trimmed version to List of Sailor Moon chapters per Nihonjoe and Masamage - it is a chapter of the Sailor Moon manga. I'd also like to object to the use of WP:FICT in the deletion nomination. As WP:FICT is currently under discussion (and has been for quite some time) I feel it is inappropriate to consider WP:FICT as a reason for deletion. Parallel Sailor Moon has been published twice - in the Materials Collection artbook as an extra, and later collected into the reprint of the entire series. Collectonian, the existence of other stuff, like the One Piece chapter list/side stories page should not be a reason to delete rather than to merge. -Malkinann (talk) 12:06, 25 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
FICT is still a valid reason for deletion, even if people figure that keeping it "in contention" ad infinite is a way to avoid its use. Its still backed by WP:N. There is nothing to merge. It is not a chapter of the original manga releases, so there is nothing to mention. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 15:46, 25 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
No, WP:FICT is not a valid reason for deletion - it is not backed by consensus, as is evidenced by it being in contention for months. Please remember to assume good faith, Collectonian - part of the problem with WP:FICT is that it has had to be largely rewritten, and gaining consensus for a rewritten guideline is difficult. The plot summary from Parallel Sailor Moon, properly pared, can be merged, and preserving the edit history via a redirect is important, per WP:MERGE to keep the terms of the GFDL. I'm surprised that you place so much importance on what is canon to the original release, when the Sailor Moon chapters page covers both the original release and the re-released edition. -Malkinann (talk) 22:53, 25 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge any useful data to List of Sailor Moon chapters. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 20:01, 25 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Creator of article from many years ago now, under Kousagi) If there were just a sentence+ mention somewhere (SM main article, whatever) about "other" senshi, this would probably include the Amazon Quartet who turn into asteroid senshi, etc, it doesn't need a whole article but it needs to be redirected and Parallel Sailor Moon is a senshi so it needs to be mentioned somewhere, you can't just not include it anywhere, that's not accurate information. Hazelorb (talk) 03:32, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge I agree, merge it. Since it showed up twice, once in the artbook and once in the reprint, it's worth a mention *somewhere* with a brief explanation. If you look at the timeline of Sailormoon it is a mess anyhow, so what is clearly canon doesn't always fit due to the nature of how manga is created. The Exam battles, the Chibiusa picture diaries, etc are also considered part of the story as well, even if most of them don't fit into the timeline. So move and merge.--Hitsuji Kinno (talk) 23:25, 28 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge - per all of the above --T-rex 20:23, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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