Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Operation Dawn 7

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The result was no consensus. (non-admin closure) buidhe 17:27, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Operation Dawn 7

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Does not meet WP:GNG, even if we were to assume that every provided source is reliable (unlikely), none of them actually discuss the subject to any appreciable depth. Moreover, the operation literally didn't happen, as the article itself dramatically attests. Perhaps something could be mentioned at Operation Dawn 6 or First Battle of al-Faw, but between the sourcing and the difficult prose I'm not sure there's anything worth merging. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 03:57, 27 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 03:57, 27 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 03:57, 27 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Iran-related deletion discussions. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 03:57, 27 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Iraq-related deletion discussions. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 03:57, 27 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep I modified/added some more related and independent sources to the article, which increase its notability. As well as this, the mentioned operation is written/available as a known operation based on the existing table(s) of Iran-Iraq-War (such as this, as one of the mentioned tables) Ali Ahwazi (talk) 06:17, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  As far as I can tell, across the sources provided the only ones that go into appreciable depth are primary source accounts. I still don't think I see a clear case for meeting GNG. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 07:47, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge somewhere. I do not think an article about a military operation that did not happen is worth having. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:26, 7 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

From a side, generally, you are right that an undone operation ... but the significant point is that: It was completely a designed operation which was stopped at the begging occasion of that by "releasing of water/river against the route of Iranian forces by Iraq; which is itself a kind of strategy duriing the war. So, it was itself a way of fight/war by another manner rather than weapons to damage its enemy; hence we cannot say that: it is not an operation, since Iraq stifled the Iranian forces by water/river rather that bomb -- although at the start occasion of the operation! Hence, it was/is one of Iran-Iraq-War operations which was removed/rejected by specific way of fighting, which is introduced amongst the formal operations of Iran-Iraq-War. Thanks. Ali Ahwazi (talk) 10:04, 9 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep and rewrite (because this actually did happen) - Whether this operation did not occur is neither here nor there. Wiki includes articles on fictional battles as well as future wars, so long as these are notable according to reliable sources and not excluded under WP:NOT. The only question that needs to be answered is whether it is notable according to reliable sources, and is not excluded by WP:NOT. The sources cited in the article clearly show it to be notable (e.g., this one and this one). The "Operation Dawn" offensives were a major part of a major conflict (the Iran-Iraq War), and indeed Dawn 7 did actually happen as an abortive attack (it continued for five days) though the article isn't clear about this the cited sources are and needs a heavy re-write. FOARP (talk) 15:06, 11 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  I'll concede the point on the basis of the additional English language source, but I do want to note that the Mashregh News source cited in the article is a first person account and not what we should be basing notability on. As a side note, there appears to be some disagreement between that English language source and what's at Iran–Iraq War; Razoux says that the Iranian assault was easily repelled, whereas our article says that the assault captured Mehran (it's cited to two sources, one of which doesn't mention the operation and the other is offline). _signed, Rosguill ^talk 17:29, 11 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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