Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/New Hampshire Liberty Alliance

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The result was no consensus. I'm reluctant to call this a "keep" consensus, as some of the "keep" opinions are not the most persuasive in light of our inclusion requirements. Sandstein 07:26, 29 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

New Hampshire Liberty Alliance

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Insufficient notability. Rostz (talk) 15:05, 21 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of New Hampshire-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 16:32, 21 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete I'm less concerned with its notability than I am with the lack of reliable sources, although it seems to have made little impact even in its home state. I can find little beyond blog entries talking about this group. The article cites a single newspaper story about a dinner, but a search of that paper's website shows no other references to it. Agent 86 (talk) 18:53, 21 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I think the page should be built up, not deleted.

I've been told by a NH state rep that the NHLA is one of the two most influential groups in the NH state house. The House Republican Leadership, the House Republican Alliance and the New Hampshire Liberty Alliance are all places state reps tend to look at when they are unsure about a bill. A state rep told me that some reps look at the NHLA gold sheet before they look at the HRA pink sheet. That makes sense as the NHLA is non-partisan and around 1/4 of state reps in NH are Democrats. Whatitisallabout (talk) 19:57, 21 October 2011

Keep Seconded - as a current State Rep, I'll also confirm this is a group that is active in the NH State House. I've also been involved with it for many years on and off. -- SethCohn —Preceding undated comment added 03:24, 22 October 2011 (UTC).[reply]

There are media mentions of the NHLA. For example, this Union Leader article from 2006, http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=5966.0 For example, this Union Leader article from 2007 http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?topic=13277.0 For example, this Nashua Telegraph article from 2009 http://forum.nhliberty.org/index.php?topic=2399.0 For example, this Union Leader article from 2010 about the Liberty Dinner http://forum.nhliberty.org/index.php?topic=3067.0 Many top candidates attending including the former mayor of Manchester but present day Congressman, the past Republican nominee for NH governor and the current person leading in polls for the Republican nominee for governor. For example, this Union Leader article from 2011 which is still online http://www.unionleader.com/article/20110719/NEWS0602/707149987 Additionally, the NHLA is also brought up from time to time on several of the top blogs in NH including the top 2 conservative/Republican blogs and the top libertarian/anarchist blog. For example, all three of the top blogs that I just mentioned talked about and linked to the 2011 NHLA Liberty Rating. Whatitisallabout (talk) 19:57, 21 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Can we agree that at least some of these sources meet WP:SIGCOV?Jsorens (talk) 17:35, 24 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Only if by "some" you mean "one". The blogs really don't seem to be reliable sources per Wikipedia policy. Agent 86 (talk) 03:41, 28 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I confess the page isn't quite up to snuff right now, but the organization itself would be clearly recognized as notable to anyone active in New Hampshire politics. It has been frequently covered in the papers, but the Union Leader, Concord Monitor, & Nashua Telegraph unfortunately do not maintain online archives of their articles. If other state-level think-tanks and pressure groups (random example: Texas Public Policy Foundation) are notable, it seems the NHLA should be so considered as well.Jsorens (talk) 21:12, 21 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

See WP:OTHERSTUFF regarding this kind of argument. Rostz (talk) 23:14, 21 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Not the argument I was making. My argument is that NHLA belongs to a category of organization that Wikipedia considers prima facie notable.Jsorens (talk) 17:29, 24 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Though obviously it needs updating with various info from news article and it would be a good idea to do that ASAP. :-) CarolMooreDC 02:51, 22 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Notable topic, article requires improvments, but it is extremly salvagable. – Phoenix B 1of3 (talk) 03:00, 22 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment If this article is so salvageable, then find some reliable sources. It seems at least a few of the "keep" comments are by those with admitted vested interests and little contribution beyond the article itself. This is not a !vote, so something more than mere assertions that this article is of a notable organization with verifiable sources. Agent 86 (talk) 08:23, 22 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep As a sitting state representative in the New Hampshire House of Representatives, I am a source and can tell you definitively that the NHLA's Gold Standard is viewed by a majority of the members of the House and that the organization's positions have influence over many votes. The organization also rates every bill that will be voted on by the N.H. House and Senate, which provides a useful and well-used online voting guide for representatives and senators. If such an organization is not worthy of note, then Wikipedia is not worthy of use. -- Rep. Andrew J. Manuse, R-Derry — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amanuse (talk • contribs) 15:58, 22 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Sorry, Mr. Amanuse, if you are who you say you are, but you're not a "source" under Wikipedia policies. Agent 86 (talk) 18:12, 22 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I would send him to Conservapedia, but the group is redlinked there. Carrite (talk) 05:41, 28 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - I'm showing 81,000 Google hits for the exact phrase "New Hampshire Liberty Alliance," which is indicative of more than a shadow existence. Rick Santorum is touting the group's endorsement I also see. About 15 pages deep and it's all blogs so far, but I don't have the slightest doubt that a search of the Union Leader will show sourcing gold. I am strongly supportive of maximum encyclopedic coverage of political organizations of this sort on general principles, without regard to their ideology. This is the sort of material that should be in an encyclopedia. Now it's off to the Union Leader I go for something more substantive... Carrite (talk) 05:33, 28 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I can assure you that the NHLA did not endorse Rick Santorum.Whatitisallabout (talk) 04:36, 29 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Here's 18 UNION LEADER HITS for the exact phrase "New Hampshire Liberty Allance" (paywalled). It does seem that the group's annual banquet is covered (at least since 2005) and that it is regarded as a significant grass roots political group in the state. Do remember also that politics in New Hampshire is magnified in importance due to its status as the first primary election state in the American Presidential election process. Carrite (talk) 05:38, 28 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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