Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nazarian Para PMC

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The result was delete. Sam Walton (talk) 13:38, 8 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Nazarian Para PMC

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Procedural AFD; this was deleted under the WP:PROD process back in July, but the deletion has belatedly been challenged so temporarily restoring it for an AFD discussion. Procedural nomination so I abstain  ‑ Iridescent 20:11, 30 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Procedural note: I've posted a request here for Norwegian-speaking editors to check the Norwegian-language sources. ‑ Iridescent 15:06, 2 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. No evidence of notability. I looked for some not cited in the article and didn't find any. FalconK (talk) 20:21, 30 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Uphold delete Only sources provided are either self-sourcing (WP:PRIMARY) or unreliable (mostly YouTube). Other 'sources' online are only gaming boards and forums. Therefore, no significant coverage, failing WP:GNG. Also falls far short of the requiremets laid out in WP:ORGDEPTH: no broad audience (niche / fringe group), no WP:PERSISTENT coverage from mainstream, independent sources. This is basically promoting a phenomonally non-notable motorcycle group who have failed to even reach much notoriety, let alone respectable coverage for their activities. The original PROD was flink  ;) Muffled Pocketed 20:29, 30 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Arguement Notability. Nrk.no is Norway's National state-owned broadcasting Network. BT. Is Bergen's-tidene Norway's second largest Newspaper. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.11.7.141 (talk) 18:46, 1 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • arguement Sources. Youtube is cited unreliable source. Clips From youtube Show NRK's News logo, meaning it was aired on primetime news for several days. Youtube is no less unreliable than Wikipedia?. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.11.7.141 (talk) 19:17, 1 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • arguement Notability. Nazarian Para PMC. Where wildly covered 'locally' in Norway, And is in that regard a Local phenomenon, Many of the articles where removed because of false accusations. Both national aired news coverage and national aired radio programs where lost in NRK's restruction of archive. But the mere loss of evidence does not make for loss of notability in local collective memory. If so.. did 3,9 million Jews not die, Simply because their deaths where try'ed hidden and destroyed. But, given the facts. it is verymuch so a local phenomenon and not portrayed otherwise. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.11.7.141 (talk) 00:26, 2 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • I know Norwegian and I've fixed up the article's English a bit for readability. The subject is unknown to me and there is no article in either of the Norwegian Wikipedias (Nynorsk nor Bokmål) with the title "Nazarian Para PMC". I feel not competent to !vote. It seems likely to me that the subject is minor and there is too little coverage. --Hordaland (talk) 11:31, 2 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • For some Norwegian's Me included "the author of this Wiki". Norwegian is rather incompatible with Internet, cellphones, Computer's etc. thous english where preferred. that is solely my preference. As stated, the coverage where intense, but based on an false agenda of "neo-nazism" and accusations of child soldiering etc. which where due to Norway's press etichs selfgoverning laws for a short while demented and retracted. before removing most material. So most material is now not available. this however does not make it uncovered or without notability. internet is a new forum, and etichs are still in the process of being created. Therefore subjects as this may rise, and that is why we have this discussion. is it or is it not noteworthy? the article in itself is by all means correct and neutral "although" it is written by me, a partial member. but it is by all means written in a neutral way stating only objective facts rather than subjective feelings. 176.11.7.141 (talk) 16:40, 2 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. NewYorkActuary (talk) 17:28, 2 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Norway-related deletion discussions. NewYorkActuary (talk) 17:28, 2 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as an advertorial with advertising information along with advertising sources, not one piece comes close to being meaningfully improved and then substantial, therefore there's nothing suggesting otherwise, delete. SwisterTwister talk 06:21, 3 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Compared to SwisterTwister outstanding argumentation, i feel word fails to short of nearing any usefull argument. thous i'll just vote keep, and keep silent..176.11.7.141 (talk) 07:50, 3 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep I'am from bergen, i actually remember this very clearly. it was in mainstream news for about a week or so, an in other medias like newspapers for well over a month. it was talked about all that year. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.167.20.195 (talk) 09:15, 3 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi. Fails WP:NORG. — JJMC89 (T·C) 15:25, 3 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep From what i can learn from Norwegian Google Seartch i find newspaper articles about this so. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.11.111.148 (talk) 16:30, 3 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
lol yeah, OK! :D Muffled Pocketed 16:36, 3 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep yea, this was very well covered in the News, on primitive tv and radio. Also Even by nafs 'Norwegian airsoft association' who demented nazarian. So keep. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.11.187.45 (talk) 17:23, 3 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. None or marginal media coverage in large Norwegian newspapers (no hits in Afteposten archive, one hit in Bergens Tidende). - 4ing (talk) 17:45, 3 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Arguement Hits in media User 4ing.. have you tryed NRK.no state owned broadcaster? https://www.google.no/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#safe=off&q=Nazarian+nrk 176.11.7.141 (talk) 17:57, 3 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • Only two hits from 2006 from the local Hordaland office of NRK. - 4ing (talk) 18:12, 3 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
      • Do you personally remember it on national News in dagsrevyen 21? and than followups at 18:00 day after.. 176.11.7.141 (talk) 18:16, 3 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
        • Are you aware that NRK purged its old archive in 2010/2011 and thous lost all news aired on tv pre that date?176.11.7.141 (talk) 18:19, 3 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
          • Please refresh your memory with https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WObtINtNjgk forward to 1:50176.11.7.141 (talk) 18:30, 3 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Argument deletion. I have nothing against people voting for a deletion, if such vote is objective. but when contributors do not even bother to do a just background check before voting. i have a problem with it..176.11.7.141 (talk) 18:39, 3 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep i was a member, back when female members where alowed. I was also fetured on National tv. So i remember quite Well. However i'am baffled over that almost all articles looks clinical removed. But IT is a strong keep. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.11.96.138 (talk) 11:29, 4 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Articles removed or missing based on false accusation of Neo-Nazism http://www.bygdanytt.no/saker/nazarian.html Does not exist anymore. but may be obtained thru Microfilm. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.11.7.141 (talk) 16:15, 4 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Press statment about Nazarian by NASF Norwegian airsoft association http://www.nasf.no/pressemelding.pdf again removed. 176.11.7.141 (talk) 16:18, 4 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Nazarian ASC Demented by NASF Norwegian airsoft association on National Radio Purged By NRK.NO also Purged By User who recorded it Mr. Holm i NRK P1 Hordaland idag kl 16:

http://home.broadpark.no/~njalb/nrk-hordaland2.wma 176.11.7.141 (talk) 16:30, 4 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment Looks like the group's entire membership has turned out. Shame it's not a vote, guys. Muffled Pocketed 02:31, 5 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • If it was, you would have 12 active votes in favour. but we've put a ban on active members voting. only me the author have been allowed to have a saying. keep your subjective thoughts for yourself please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.11.7.141 (talk) 09:00, 5 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
OK- thanks for the confession to WP:MEATpuppetry and WP:TAGTEAMing. Cheers! (subjectively, yours...) Muffled Pocketed 09:04, 5 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • Subjective much? Do find other reasons for justifying your actions, than assumptions.. I'am hoping your age preceeds 12..176.11.7.141 (talk) 09:12, 5 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
      • So it is said. i do not know any other authors on wikipedia, iam rather unexperienced. only one i've talked to are the one helped me make this article. where he is now i dont know. so TAGTEAM?

and Meatpupetry was new to me. are you accusing me of this? well my question under stays. i'am sure you know much about Barock england or whatever.. very nice. but i would like to know the questions under here.176.11.7.141 (talk) 09:33, 5 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

        • my answear above "If it was, you would have 12 active votes in favour. but we've put a ban on active members voting." does suggest i'am not meatpuppetrying. so how you turned that around, well i cant figure.176.11.7.141 (talk) 09:51, 5 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • User Mundi How do you know this article content personally? do you have a recollection of it? do you remember it 10 years ago? just asking. would like to know how it was preceded by you personally.176.11.7.141 (talk) 09:22, 5 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Do you hold you national conference in a telephone box? Or is that too big? Muffled Pocketed 09:32, 5 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • are you trying to be rude? really? do you really want to tarnish your own reputation by being an arse?176.11.7.141 (talk) 09:36, 5 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Admin Is there an admin around that may contribute agains Mundi's poor attempt at bullying? I'am not an experienced author.. but i'am pretty sure bullying and trying to ridicule others are well out of bounds. WP:CONDUCTDISPUTE 176.11.7.141 (talk) 09:42, 5 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
It's certainly ironic. Muffled Pocketed 10:24, 5 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • How About you try to use some of your more serious side, to actually answer the questions? i'am am sure it is a topic you know nothing of at all. And instead you resort to trolling instead. why?176.11.7.141 (talk) 10:29, 5 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. I have access to basically all Norwegian newspapers via the news service w:no:Retriever Norge. I have looked at every newspaper article in Norwegian mentioning Nazarian (used the ANDNOT function to for instance get rid of hits on persons like Armen Nazaryan after a lot of persons named Nazarian was excluded from the hit-list I was left with 116 articles mentioning "Nazaryan". I have looked at all of them. The article is referenced with three Norwegian newspaper articles. I can confirm that this is all the articles there is. One of these is editorial and two is readers debating the organization. The news coverage cannot confirm most of the content in the article and it is basically without reliable sources.
-- None of the sources confirms any motorcycle activity as the article claims. They confirm Softgun-activity in military uniforms and not being accepted in the organized softgun-community. Norwegian newspapers and local newspapers are in general very good at mentioning local clubs and their activities. Very small clubs at least get a mention in activity lists for the local community. The fact that I cannot find any of this indicates a basic lack of any activity that has public interest.
-- I have looked at the Norwegian registry for organizations (not just businesses but also non profit organizations) at Brønnøysund Register Centre and no organization named Nazarian is registered in Norway. Most organizations in Norway are registered in brreg.no since this often is a prerequisite for being recognized a lot of places in Norway. Small bridge clubs or similar private little clubs are often not.
-- The article claims "Nazarian Para PMC started in 2002 as a Private Military Company, with intentions of providing military personnel for foreign security and warfare". This is illegal in Norway and punishable by law. If this was true I definitely should have found newspaper coverage. However I cannot confirm that they ever tried anything like this.
-- This is not a notable organization as the total newspaper coverage consists of 1 editorial and 2 reader comments in Norwegian newspapers from 2006. --ツツDyveldi ☯ prat ✉ post 12:21, 8 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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