Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nagamono

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The result was delete. Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 00:34, 20 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Nagamono

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This subject of this article is a word, not an object, I can not find any reference to this word when searching the internet with Google search. The whole article is one sentence with no further attempt by the creator of the article to add any additional information to the article. This type of article is not what Wikipedia is about. This article should be deleted, it is unnecessary and adds nothing to Wikipedia. Samuraiantiqueworld (talk) 10:04, 12 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I concur with Samuraiantiqueworld, no-one seems to be using this term in hoplological circles, although there are a couple of mentions on the web (search "nagamono weapon" for some results, but none from reliable sources). Nonetheless, WP:DICTDEF applies, even in Japanese. My Japanese is sketchy, but wouldn't "nagamono" be translated as "long thing" rather than "long weapon"? Yunshui 雲‍水 11:46, 12 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- I have not found any verifiable sources such as books on the subject of martial arts that have "nagamono" used as a term but I did find this reference (Traditionally, noodles were called nagamono, which translates as "things that are long,") [1] The folk art of Japanese country cooking: a traditional diet for today's world‎. I found a few other references along the same line. I did find some martial arts web sites which use the term but if it was a commonly used term I would expect to it to come up in some of the martial arts books that are used for references in other martial arts articles.Samuraiantiqueworld (talk) 12:33, 12 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  - I don't have my paper dictionaries in front of me, but a search in Japanese on the web does not even turn up one instance of this kanji combination. Unless it is an aberrant reading, one would normally not read the kanji 槍薙 as "nagamono". Usually it would be something like "yarinagi", but since yari and nagi are different things, I don't see anyone using them together to nominate a single thing. I see from the article history that the user who created the article first used 長者 (literally, long thing or person) but changed the kanji later. The user contributed a lot to China-related articles, so I wonder if he/she is Chinese and is actually using a Chinese word here. I'll check my dictionaries at home later. Michitaro (talk) 15:35, 12 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Japan-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:08, 12 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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- These articles by user:陳鬼 all have no references, they are just one sentence articles based on a word taken from a martial arts web site, there is no research and it is just dumped on here, this is not what Wikipedia is about, Wikipedia is not a dictionary. See Kyuba, Nagamonojutsu, Torimono Dougu, Kakushi Buki Jutsu, Jouhou Kaishuu, Chikujou, Angou, Intonjutsu}}

Samuraiantiqueworld (talk) 14:23, 13 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewing some of these terms indicates that at least a few are more widely mentioned than Nagamono - I'm therefore switching the speedy tags for WP:PROD instead, to give time for expansion; "unsourced" isn't a valid speedy criterion anyway. Yunshui 雲‍水 14:38, 13 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Unsourced dictionary definition, which does not justify a self-standing article, as per WP:NOTDIC. --DAJF (talk) 01:30, 14 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete User DAJF has it exactly right. Papaursa (talk) 17:54, 14 January 2012 (UTC) 17:13, 14 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all -- unsourced dictionary definitions. Buckshot06 (talk) 10:31, 16 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. This Japanese does not stand up to scrutiny. The original kanji 長者 (nagamono) means "long person", and the present kanji 槍薙 can't be read "nagamono". It would probably be read as "yarinagi", only it's not in the dictionary... Maybe the author was thinking of naginata? There is a word 長物 (nagamono) but that means "a long round thing, like a pipe or other construction material". Also, no sources on Google. — Mr. Stradivarius ^♫ 14:09, 16 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.