Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mie Sonozaki

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Satellizer (´ ･ ω ･ `) 11:49, 18 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Mie Sonozaki

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I cannot find a single reliable source that discusses this person. There are plenty of websites that list these roles, but IMDB and Anime News Network (with its user-submitted content no better than us) are not reliable sources. Most importantly, WP:ENT requires "significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions", and there is nothing in these articles or their sources (well...) to suggest that these roles were significant--setting aside the fact that a lot of the credited productions may not be notable in the first place, even though they have a Wikipedia article (look at the sources for Diamond Daydreams). So, "significance" is not established and neither, of course, are the other two points, "Has a large fan base or a significant "cult" following"; "Has made unique, prolific or innovative contributions to a field of entertainment."

This type of article is, of course, rampant in our project: many of those voice actor articles are nothing but lists (really, resumes). But that's a side note. This one, not notable--existence does not equate to notability. Drmies (talk) 18:33, 11 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as per Drmies. I searched 11 SERP pages, only found one fairly solid reference, and that wasn't an in-depth citation. Clearly she is a hard-working voice actress, long list of credits, just not much real media attention other than lists, or mentions that she did this role on this project, and so forth. Somewhat surprising, however, is she averages 35 pageviews per day, so what is the interest? Can only guess about that.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 00:18, 12 July 2014 (UTC) Undecided based on comments below; still would like to see somebody who can read Japanese and (hopefully) knows about this subject comment on this discussion.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 22:12, 14 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Japan-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:18, 12 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. A search for the precise string brings 187,000 ghits. I'd rush to agree that the great majority of ghits are worthless; still, this is rather more than the couple of hundred that lots of people here get. If her page gets 35 pageviews per day, who knows ... maybe people into this kind of thing like her voice? ¶ No vote ("!vote") (yet) as I know nothing of voice acting and have no appetite for searching among what may or may not be references. ¶ I note that the reliably potty ja:Wikipedia gives her an article that specifies the type of blood that she has, and her height (important in recording one's voice?) to the nearest millimetre. -- Hoary (talk) 03:16, 12 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Reply. If somebody who can read Japanese would care to look over that search string, to try to identify sources, and then pinpoint them with links here on this page, I'll reconsider.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 09:08, 12 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Such information is freely given out by the individual or their agencies and typically given in any interview or coverage of them in Japanese media (and on some occasions in English language coverage) including their personal or agency websites. For some reason they have no problem giving out the month and day of birth, blood type and the "three sizes" but are oddly reluctant to give their age sometimes. It doesn't surprise me Ja.Wiki has this information, I'd be more surprised if it didn't.SephyTheThird (talk) 10:38, 12 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Me too: ja:Wikipedia seems to contain megabytes of mindless credulity (whether or not in the service of poppycock). -- Hoary (talk) 12:42, 12 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I do wonder to which extent we are used as a combination fan site/resume deposit. But I've only had one cup of coffee this morning. Drmies (talk) 12:57, 12 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Try "List of Star Wars air, aquatic, and ground vehicles". -- Hoary (talk) 13:29, 12 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Being unable to read Japanese, I'm not much help... a cursory glance at the sheer number of hits for her name in Japanese lettering seems to give an indication there is probably something out there but google translate is a pain to use when I have no clue which pages to read. It takes long enough to sort through rubbish when looking for english references. What I found in english is this at AnimeNewsNetwork and this at Joystiq which notes she is the voice of Eve in the japanese translation of WALL-E. I wouldn't be surprised to find more in japanese sources. JTdale ^Talk 15:55, 12 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Appears to fail WP:ENT. Anime news network is user edited HOWEVER the news sections are not and are edited by staff so those sections can be used as reliable sources. Given the ANN source though it mostly focuses about her divorce. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 17:25, 12 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- Reply would a roll in a major film as the official voice of the 2nd most important character in a major translation count towards ENT #1, i.e. playing EVE in WALL-E? JTdale ^Talk 07:06, 13 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  - Keep per Calathan's argument below. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 21:55, 14 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - In addition to the article about her divorce on Anime News Network, Hitoshi Doi's seiyuu database lists a few interviews or articles about her in magazines like Newtype and Dengeki G's [1]. She seems to have been a part of the main cast of a few notable works such as Strike Witches, Sakura Wars: So Long, My Love, and Comic Party (Hitoshi Doi's database can be used to verify her role in some of these, since it is normally considered reliable, though I assume there must be official sites somewhere for those series that could also be used to verify the cast). She also seems to have a fan following based on the coverage vast number of Google hits someone mentions above, and the various events Hitoshi Doi's database lists (which occurred over a 15 year time period). I would say that she perhaps just barely meets WP:GNG (depending on what exactly the magazine coverage is), and also probably meets WP:ENT #1 and #2, which in total is enough to keep the article. Also, as a reply to Drmies initial deletion rationale, the coverage in the Diamond Daydreams article (reviews by two reliable sources and coverage by a third) seems sufficient to pass the notability guidelines. The other works I mentioned above also have articles with sufficient sources to pass the notability guidelines. I think your suggestion that the works she has appeared in are non-notable is clearly incorrect. Calathan (talk) 16:39, 13 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Question. I clicked on many of the links in the previous post; mostly, they were Wikipedia articles which did not mention her name. Wondering if there are specific links, to specific RS sources, even in Japanese (which we can look at roughly using the google translate feature)? That would be most helpful.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 20:09, 13 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately, the magazine articles listed on Hitoshi Doi's page aren't available online as far as I know. The Anime News Network news story about her divorce is at [2]. For the Wikipedia articles not always listing her name, that is because they have separate character pages (e.g., List of Strike Witches characters, List of Sakura Wars characters#New York Kagekidan (New York Combat Revue). Calathan (talk) 23:24, 13 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I agree with Calathan. She passes WP:ENT easily with her notable roles. Dream Focus 15:16, 15 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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