Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of sportspeople who died during their careers

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. If any established editor wants the content to fork certain sports (including The-Pope), then feel free to post on my talk page and I'll send you the content from the deleted article for the sports in question. Daniel (talk) 21:08, 15 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

List of sportspeople who died during their careers

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This list is an incomprehensible melting pot and it is unmanageable Sismarinho (talk) 20:45, 7 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete for being too indiscriminate and vague. The criteria include the phrase "could still have been active". Who gets to decide whether that applies? I do see a viable cut-down version: List of sportspeople who died while competing. Clarityfiend (talk) 22:46, 7 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Addendum. Just imagine all the athletes who died while fighting in the two world wars. Clarityfiend (talk) 22:49, 7 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete- A massive, ugly mess that grows rapidly and is not maintainable. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 22:47, 7 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:38, 8 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:38, 8 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete While not inherently non-notable, the list is far too vague and indiscriminate to be of any use to a reader. I would suggest nuking and paving, then creating with a more narrow scope. Spirit of Eagle (talk) 02:12, 8 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Vague criteria and seems like original research. Jakejr (talk) 05:24, 8 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and clean up/split Not a single try at maintenance? No suggestions on the discussion page, or any kind of notification beforehand? Just "Bwah, I don't like it"? Sry, I fail to detect the good faith in calling something "unmanageable" that you haven't tried to manage in the first place. Removing all those non-notable college athletes would be a good start. While this article certainly is a mess in its current state, I think the loss of useful information would weigh in heavily. Axolotl Nr.733 (talk) 12:43, 8 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I agree that the criteria for being on this list are indiscriminate and vague. Someone can get on the list if they "could still have been active", but that seems like it would necessarily be a judgment call. There's also the criteria about officially retiring, but that's not as cut-and-dry as it seems. Some players don't "officially" retire for years, and many never make a official announcement. Additionally, Lou Gehrig did offically retire, so doesn't that mean the criteria say he shouldn't be included? Why are soccer players who died while actually playing soccer on a separate list? The article says that it's because there's a lot of them, but there are a lot of soccer deaths under "car accident" too, and they're not on a separate list. Why are coaches included for some sports, but not others? Why are baseball umpires included but referees in other sports not? If the list is meant to be athletes only, shouldn't it say that? I do agree with the others that a list of smaller scope such as List of sportspeople who died while competing could work. Egsan Bacon (talk) 16:57, 8 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Fork As most of the delete !votes here are "too vague", can I suggest that individual sports projects are notified of this AFD, in case they want to rescue/fork their list into a more clearly defined list, as I intend to do with cricket and Australian football. When you are talking about individual sports, it is a lot easier to tightly define what "still competing" means than trying make rules that adequately cover all sports. The-Pope (talk) 12:10, 11 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Honestly you people really make me sick with the way you talk about people. The majority of these people died and this is the only way they will be remembered on a larger scale, and you have the nerve to talk about "not important" and "not notable" college athletes? Here's a little newsflash for you: ALL college athletes who die are notable. ALL athletes who die at any level are notable. They trained their whole lives to do what they do and they had it taken away from them along with any chance of having the long life you all take for granted simply by a cruel act of fate. They gave up their lives to be public figures and gave everything they had for the name on the back of their jersey. Get some respect.

I have read this list before. All of it. It deserves to exist because these people deserve to be remembered and how dare you try to take that away from them just because you don't like the way the page looks. Things like this are exactly why I'm starting to really dislike Wikipedia.24rhhtr7 (talk) 04:36, 13 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.