Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of kanji by stroke count

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The result was redirect to List of jōyō kanji. Just a note to NReitzel, this article has not been deleted, it has been turned into a redirect to a related article. You've received some good feedback here on other articles that might be of use but the content on this page is still present so even though a redirect is less "usable" than the original article, all of information is still there in the page history if you want to review it. Thank you for your support to all of Wikimedia's projects. Liz Read! Talk! 00:34, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

List of kanji by stroke count

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Wikipedia is not a dictionary. There are tens of thousands of kanji, so a complete list of kanji by stroke count would need to list all of them. Mucube (talk • contribs) 00:34, 25 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Language, Lists, and Japan. Mucube (talk • contribs) 00:34, 25 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect to List of jōyō kanji, which can already be sorted by stroke count and has a clear criterion for inclusion. Dekimasuよ! 04:47, 25 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: is stroke count an interesting linguistic feature of kanji? Perhaps sources could be found for a list with better selection criteria, like the kanji with fewer than 5 strokes or more than 30 strokes? — Bilorv (talk) 21:16, 25 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Stroke count is the traditional way of sorting the list of kanji. --ColinFine (talk) 23:06, 25 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
In the dictionaries carried by nearly every non-agrarian person in Japan, Stroke count is the primary way that kanji is referenced. I've gone to this list countless times in the last few years, and I personally would sorely miss it. Wikimedia is my personal charity for donations at Amazon - I donate every time I buy something, and I tend to get a little tired of people (I'm talking to You, Administrators) coming up with reasons why some fractional piece of human knowledge should Not be included here. Surely a written language has a more deserving place here than, (say) an article on Tatooine. Are you trying to compete for eyeballs with Tiktoc? Didn't the AOL saga serve as an adequate cautionary tale? Norm Reitzel (talk) 09:25, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@NReitzel: I have no interest in Star Wars but the references under Tatooine#References show that it is a notable topic. If you can provide a similar number and quality of references for kanji by stroke count then I'm sure nobody will have an issue keeping this list.
Content is not kept on Wikipedia if it is useful, but if it meets our limited selection criteria; dictionary content does not, and is hosted at our sister project Wiktionary instead (if the community there want it). Decisions are made by the community (of whom administrators are a fraction) and only carried out by administrators. As your donation money (in overwhelming likelihood) does not go to anybody who is reading this—although it goes to Wiktionary as much as it goes to Wikipedia—I don't think any of us will complain if you choose to donate elsewhere. — Bilorv (talk) 10:30, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@NReitzel: If you would've created this list, then I could understand that you're feeling bummed out. But according to its history, you never once edited this page. Besides, there is nothing on this list that isn't also at List of jōyō kanji. If you press the arrows in the "Strokes" column, the kanji will be sorted accordingly. There are many other pages on the internet that list Japanese kanji by stroke count. And if you're really going to miss this page that much, then you can still view it on the Internet Archive.
Your monetary donations to Wikimedia are very much appreciated and I'm sure they come to good use. Take care, Manifestation (talk) 17:20, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I would complain if I had to take my money elsewhere, Wikimedia does an outstanding thing. I'm not feeling "bummed out" -- to the contrary, I just use this list daily and I would miss it. And no, it's not a dictionary - nor is this list a dictionary`, it's an INDEX and as such has a particular value all its own. Reference books would be easier if all that pesty stuff at the end were left out. What they do is make the actual reference more accessible and more useful. If you want to replace his article with a link to the list of jōyȯ- kanji, that is reasonable, but speaking for myself, since I have only been studying to read kanji for a couple decades, it will be more difficult. This index is styled after O'Neil's "Essential Kanji" (the book) which is where I began my journey, so you can see why it will be missed. If you delete this articlke, I will use a differemt reference and no hard feelings. Norm Reitzel (talk) 15:01, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your considered comments. I will support wikimedia until my death — and after, if possible. Norm Reitzel (talk) 15:05, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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