Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of brahmins

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The result was delete. Secret ^account 14:56, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

List of brahmins

Blatant violation of NPOV. While there do exist many "Brahmin" communities in India, there is no "Brahmin community" in India. While I feel that lists of people based on their residence or origin such as List of Tamil people, List of Telugu people or even communal lists as List of Beni Israel could be allowed as they are informational, list as these which are based on varna serve no purpose other than casteist propaganda. Besides I don't find anything common among these people other than one or two Brahmanic rituals and the religious sanction of the Manusmriti to illtreat people of other varnas. I might be wrong here, but even if consensus is in favor of retention, I feel that maintenance would be a tough job and would even require full protection. The purpose of creating a list like this is not fulfilled as it would scarcely be informational. See Wikipedia:Lists#Information Ravichandar _{My coffee shop} 07:05, 6 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. —Ravichandar _{My coffee shop} 08:08, 6 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Indiscriminate as in way too broad. ChildofMidnight (talk) 07:57, 6 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: useless list maintained by anonymous users.--GDibyendu (talk) 08:23, 6 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I don't see why it is too broad. More important, the original nomination here seems affected by ethnic prejudice. "They were the oppressors, so we shouldnt include them" -- all the more reason to do lists for them -- and other groups -- so their dominance can be fairly seen. DGG (talk) 08:39, 6 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well I haven't called them "oppressors" anywhere. The article is filled with propaganda and OR. Please have a look at the textual part of the list. You will realize it. And mind you, it has zero references thereby making verification difficult. As for the Manusmriti remark, what I've said is factually accurate. Other than privileges conferred upon Brahmins, there is little in common between the different communities. Brahmin communities differ from each other in their culture, language, dress - almost everything. I don't find any similarity between M. S. Subbulakshmi and say someone like Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru. And FYI, we don't have lists for other varnas like List of Kshatriyas, List of Vaishyas and List of Shudras.-Ravichandar _{My coffee shop} 08:48, 6 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Looks like a caste of thousands. Mandsford (talk) 17:00, 6 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 04:19, 7 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Violates NPOV. The encyclopaedic value of this list is questioned --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 05:34, 7 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep List in no way violates POV or furthers any propaganda. Nominator themself shows heavy POV and admits these people do have something in common. Edward321 (talk) 14:54, 7 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: This list has some factual inaccuracies as well. It lists Kamal Hassan as Kamal Hassan Srinivasa Iyer. Kamal Hassan, in fact, is not an Iyer but an Iyengar. It also lists K. S. Chitra who, in fact, is not a Brahmin. Besides, there are so many red links and entries without links at all. Do these individuals satisfy notability? Well, if POV is the only issue, then retaining this article could be considered. But then, that's not the case. And how come do you consider my nom as POV. I was only quoting what is mentioned in Manusmriti article. Classification based on varna is scarcely of any informational value. For example, we don't have List of Aryans or List of Semites, etc,though geneticists mighjt feel that these races do exist. It only serves to fuel hatred. Thanks-Ravichandar _{My coffee shop} 03:07, 8 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. India Caste related lists are out of control.Taprobanus (talk) 04:14, 8 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete As per nom.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 16:13, 8 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. An indiscriminate listing of persons belonging to a certain community. There are definitive arguments about amount of work done by this minority community in the multiple areas of society. But the main article can be considered for addition of such information. Simply adding persons who satisfy WP:BIO (some don't even pass that) can't really be considered a positive treatment on an encyclopedic level.

On a more technical level, the list is rife with inaccuracies. e.g. Sunil Gavaskar belongs to Chandraseniya Kayastha Prabhu, further inaccuracies in sections such as List of Brahmin Gotras. There's incessant duplication of names, no verification provided on the persons background, random cross-categorization in terms of years, languages, areas of work etc. The list is a complete disaster with virtually no light at the end of the tunnel. ^LeaveSleaves _talk 14:32, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You see, there are many Brahmin communities. Fusing them all into a single "Brahmin community" isn't appropriate. A Brahmin is simply a varna. And then, if at all you wish to verify if someone is a Brahmin or not you could check List of Chitpavans, List of Deshastas, List of Iyers, List of Iyengars, List of Nambudiris, List of Bengali Brahmins, and those of other Brahmin communities. What is the use of this list? This makes it clear that it doesn't serve any informational purpose too. I wouldn't support a decision to create such a list in the article on Brahmin either. Such classification on basis of varna would only create unnecessary communal hatred and would be used for propaganda. Instead, readers should be lead to lists for individual Brahmin communities -Ravichandar _{My coffee shop} 16:51, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Have a look the talk page for Mukkulathor article where unparliamentary abuses have been exchanged as a result of a heated debate as to whether the Mukkulathor were Kshatriyas or not. -Ravichandar _{My coffee shop} 17:03, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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