Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Latin American Nobel laureates

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The result was keep. Modussiccandi (talk) 09:00, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

List of Latin American Nobel laureates

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Fails WP:V, WP:NLIST, and WP:NOTDIRECTORY (to quote almost exactly: people from ethnic / cultural / religious group X who have won award Y...) The only sources presented are for trivial facts about Nobel Prizes and have nothing to do with this specific intersection of "ethnicity" and "some other thing", thus this probably also borderline fails WP:NOR as a topic which has nothing published about it elsewhere is OR by definition. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 00:31, 21 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Lists of people and Latin America. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 04:10, 21 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Geography is a notable group or set per WP:LISTN and e.g., How the Nobel Prize has favoured white western men for more than 100 years (The Telegraph, 2014, includes "Geographical analysis by the Telegraph has also revealed that western countries have received a disproportionately high number of awards throughout the Nobel's history."), What the Nobels are — and aren’t — doing to encourage diversity (Nature, 2018, includes a general focus on geography), Nobel Prize winners: How many women have won awards? (Telegraph, 2015, includes a list of "Representation among countries with more than five Nobel Prize winners"). Geography as it relates to Nobel Prize winners is a notable group or set per the sources. Beccaynr (talk) 01:33, 22 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  And for Latin America specifically, e.g. The Scarcity of Nobel Prizes in Latin America. A Culturalist Approach to the History of Brain Drain in the Region (Migration and Diasporas: An Interdisciplinary Journal 2020), History of Modern Latin America: 1800 to the Present (2016, discussing Latin American Nobel laureates at p. 13), The Oxford Handbook of Gabriel García Márquez (2021, discussing Latin American Nobel laureates at p. 4). Beccaynr (talk) 03:04, 22 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Trivial mentions of Latin America Nobels or countries appearing in stats tables, in sources which ostensibly do not dwell upon this subject for very long do not constitute the kind of WP:SIGCOV necessary to justify this kind of listing. The Telegraph is paywalled, but I find it hard to believe that an article ostensibly about wider geographic disproportionality would have significant coverage of Latin America in particular (similarly for the one which is clearly about gender discrimination). The single-page mentions (somehow, Google Books is not giving me access) in the last two sources also seem very much the kind of thing that wouldn't be SIGCOV, based on similar examples cited elsewhere RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 00:02, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Part of the WP:LISTN analysis is that geography as a group or set is notable, per a variety of independent and reliable sources, some of which are additionally cited in other similar AfDs, such as the List of female Nobel laureates AfD, which includes sources that have a focus on geography. I also added further examples in this discussion, including an entire paper about Nobel Prizes in Latin America, and other sources discussing the specific group in a nontrivial manner. The sources support the notability of this list because geography is a notable group as it relates to Nobel prizes, and there is additional coverage by independent and reliable sources about Latin America specifically. I also again encourage you to use the "Search Inside" function or the GBooks link at the top of this page (remove "List of" before searching) to access the book sources before making judgments about sources that you have not reviewed. Thank you, Beccaynr (talk) 01:57, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Latin America is a geography, not an ethnicity. Additionally, I think WP:NOTDUP refutes the justification to delete. CT55555 (talk) 20:31, 22 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  And as quoted elsewhere, NOTDUP goes both ways and doesn't mean that we need to have a list. Whether "Latin America" is a geographical group or a cultural/ethnic group doesn't change the fact this is still a cross-categorisation of the kind explicitly discouraged by WP:NOTDIRECTORY, and one whose encyclopedic merit is disputable. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 23:52, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  This isn't about what we WP:NEED to do--"need" isn't the standard.--Paul McDonald (talk) 03:32, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Hungarian Nobel laureates and others.--Paul McDonald (talk) 02:19, 23 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.