Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Iranian people by net worth

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The result was no consensus. Mark Arsten (talk) 00:53, 19 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

List of Iranian people by net worth

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Mostly sourced from the unreliable propaganda site Iran Focus. Additionally, we don't have a list of Jewish people by net worth, even though one can find less dubious sources for the latter [1] (List of Jewish American businesspeople doesn't even come close to having the same scope.) Someone not using his real name (talk) 11:01, 19 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep if any reliable sources can be found, in which case clean up so that it is in line with the template, which lists by citizenship, not descent. I rather doubt, for example, that #1 Pierre Omidyar is an Iranian citizen. The nominator hasn't provided a valid reason for deletion. Clarityfiend (talk) 11:23, 19 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- You're welcome to write a new article, if you can find sources for that. The main issue is that the wealth most of those of Iranian citizenship is hard to find in any reliable sources. The top 5 of the guys listed here (minus Babak Zanjani) aren't Iranian citizens, as far as I can tell. For the actual Iranian citizens, the sources would be basically just Iran Focus. Someone not using his real name (talk) 11:36, 19 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  - Okay, I qualified my vote. Clarityfiend (talk) 13:43, 19 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

In general, I would not trust Wikipedia editors to properly synthesize from multiple sources a top of this kind, because each source may use different methods for estimating the wealth of people who aren't all that transparent about it and various sources cited are not making their estimates at the same time either. Thus the result can only be a low-quality WP:SYNT, although not because it's necessarily designed to push some predetermined conclusion. Someone not using his real name (talk) 11:27, 19 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Most of the sources are from Forbes, and indeed a single list of "the world's billionaires". Further, these lists of Fooian people by net worth appear pretty standard, judging from Category:Lists of people by wealth. Perhaps there should be a discussion regarding all of them at once, but otherwise it's pretty arbitrary just to single out this list, unless there's something necessarily different about calculating the net worth of Iranians as opposed to other nationalities. postdlf (talk) 18:57, 19 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Something like List of Italian billionaires is indeed based on a single (2008) Forbes source [2] (thus at least is a valid comparison/top at a single point in time, even though in the minds of Wikipedians it seems that financial data and the ranking it entails doesn't change over time). This "Iranian people" list however is structured by "Iranian descent" and the most cited reference in it is Iranfocus. Like I said, we don't have an article for Jewish descent either. The last Forbes article on "Millionaire Mullahs" was from 2003 [3]; it doesn't unfortunately inform on the net worth of any single individual. The 2008 or 2013 Forbes billionaires list does not include a single Iranian citizen, probably because no firm data can be obtained. They don't even list Babak Zanjani [4] at all. Someone not using his real name (talk) 21:54, 19 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. Someone not using his real name (talk) 11:52, 19 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Iran-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:40, 19 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:40, 19 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 02:06, 26 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The collection of obvious sources into a table is NPOV writing, not Original research. It's a valid topic, as it would be for any major nation. DGG ( talk ) 04:56, 6 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Compiling an ordered list of financial info from sources without even giving the years (which differ) is sophomoric writing at best, but welcome to Wikipedia. Which reliable sources are about this "major nation" again? Current Forbes listings have zero Iranian citizens. Someone not using his real name (talk) 14:27, 7 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 00:38, 7 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. I'm troubled by the fact that this is a cobbled-together list from different sources and time frames, rank-ordering their wealth when the original sources did not do so. The nominator's concerns are well-warranted. Also the title is incorrect and many of these people are not Iranians but have fled the country. Coretheapple (talk) 15:21, 9 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. No need to delete article, just add dates and nationality in a new column. Moreover lead section clearly states "Iranian OR Iranian origin" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.198.174.113 (talk) 06:24, 10 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep : I can help making it better. Don't see any reason to remove. Bladesmulti (talk) 19:13, 10 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.