Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lewsey Farm, Luton

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The result was redirect to Lewsey. Since the text appears copied from parent article closing as redirect but any additional information can be taken the history. Spartaz ^Humbug! 04:52, 25 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Lewsey Farm, Luton

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There is nothing which differentiates this from Lewsey - Seems to simply be an alternate name for the same place. Indeed, this article seems to be a virtual cut and paste of the Lewsey article, with minor changes made. Is there some official site in the UK (like the GNIS site for US locations), which can state these are indeed two different locations, and that they are both notable? Is Lewsey Farms a neighborhood in Lewsey? I am not seeing anything which indicates that a virtually identical article needs to happen. Why are the two articles virtually identical? If they are two distinct locales, then the articles should be about those particular places. Appears to be a generic local name for a certain area, and as such does not meet either WP:GNG or WP:GEOLAND. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 15:11, 17 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United Kingdom-related deletion discussions. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 15:12, 17 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep There are no official means for naming suburbs in the UK, all suburbs are simply colloquially named and are sometimes used on maps and sometimes not. However, Lewsey, Lewsey Park, and Lewsey Farm are used enough separately and are well defined enough to warrant separate articles. The most official source which includes both suburbs is the Luton bus routes, see https://bustimes.org/localities/luton-beds if you click on each suburb you can clearly see the separate areas they contain. Also see the coordinates on both pages which clearly show they are different areas. The pages are also not the same. The only sections which are remotely similar are the history sections, and this is correctly so as both place names are derived from the areas historic landowners, who owned the land both next door suburbs are built on. This page should not be deleted as Lewsey and Lewsey Farm are recognised by locals, estate agents, bus routes, and the local council as separate areas.LordDaly1 (talk)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 16:46, 17 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 15:12, 17 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Merge?: It seems that "Lewsey Farm Estate" was the name of a council estate built in the 1950s. So it is possible that the residents think of it as an area that is distinct from "Lewsey" to the south. The names used for the areas within a town often change, and it is misleading and confusing to have articles for all of them suggesting that they are all current names, especially if the areas overlap (as here with Lewsey Park, Luton). It is different if an article is about the history of a past area which was significant, but this article does not even mention the council estate. A ward (such as Lewsey) at least has an official boundary, and its article can cover anything within the boundary. But as it is difficult to know what names are used by real people for neighbourhoods, I do not have a strong opinion for this article. By the way, I think that ", Luton" is unnecessary disambiguation. JonH (talk) 22:37, 17 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

~~Keep~~ Striking dupe !vote (albeit unsigned) of Lorddaly Onel5969 ^{TT me} 12:39, 24 April 2018 (UTC) Having read the comments on this page I believe all the issues with the article have been addressed. I have added information on each individual local area to the Lewsey, Lewsey Farm and Lewsey Park articles, as well as added to the history sections when each local area was built (note that each of the three areas was built separately decades apart - a fact which in essence led them to having sepearate names and being referred to as separate suburbs). The fact that each suburb was built at different times means each has a unique style of architecture and layout, and at ground level the differences can be seen between each suburb. Also with reference to the previous comment, the areas do not overlap - see stated boundaries. I also wish to raise the point that merging the articles under the heading “Lewsey” is not appropriate, as this implies Lewsey Farm and Lewsey Park are extensions of Lewsey/or suburbs of Lewsey per say. This would be incorrect as they are each individual suburbs of Luton, Lewsey did not expand of its own accord, and neither suburb has a greater standing. The fact that the ward they are contained in is called “Lewsey” is of no consequence, wards in the U.K. are not a construct to define an area or an area’s name, they are simply an electoral division assigned a number of councillors and used to determine results of parliamentary elections. Therefore I believe Lewsey, Lewsey Farm, and Lewsey Park are all articles in their own right of enough importance to stay on Wikipedia.[reply]

Merge, I don't think this has ever been an officially designated place - such as a ward. The official ward itself is called Lewsey. The same goes for Lewsey Park which isn't part of this AfD but should also be merged. Szzuk (talk) 12:30, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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