Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lance Morrison

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. In addition John Ziegler (guitarist) will be redirected to Pigmy Love Circus and Volto! redirected to Danny Carey. J04n(talk page) 23:56, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Lance Morrison

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This is going to be a tricky nomination. I'm lumping three pages together because the notability for one will have a great effect on whether or not the others go as well. Here's the issue:

A few days ago I declined a PROD on John Ziegler (guitarist) because I noticed that he was a member of two bands that currently have articles on Wikipedia. Both articles were fairly rough and there was a question of notability for both of them. The bands in question are Pygmy Love Circus and Volto!. I managed to establish notability for PLC, but there was a serious question of notability for Volto!. They've performed and they're supposed to be releasing a CD, but I don't see where that's actually happened. Other than Carey being a member of the band, the group has largely flown under the radar. It'd be an easy delete, except that Morrison has a slight claim to notability in that he's performed in the background of several albums. I haven't really found any coverage for him or for Volto! in general other than trivial mentions at best. So rather than try to nominate these separately, I'm bringing them here to have it all straightened out. If we can establish that Morrison and Volto! have no notability, then Ziegler's article would be deletable since he wouldn't have the "a member of two notable bands" criteria of WP:MUSBIO. I'm open to suggestions, but this is such a mess of a group of articles that really, AfD is the only way to really sort out whether or not they should be kept or deleted. My argument is that while Morrison is somewhat prolific, he hasn't really received any coverage for his efforts and is pretty much a background player. Since I don't see him as independently notable enough for his own article, this means that Volto! would be deleted, which means that Ziegler would be as well. If someone can argue notability for Morrison, then Volto! and Ziegler would be kept by default because Volto! would then have two notable members (thus being notable) and Ziegler would be kept since he's technically a member of two notable bands, despite neither he nor Volto! gaining much or any independent coverage. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 04:02, 7 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I am also nominating the following related pages for the reasons stated above:

If anyone can establish firm notability then I'm willing to work with you, but I had such a hard time finding RS for these pages that I'm honestly not sure they're really all that notable or would be kept on anything other than a technicality. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 04:05, 7 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Volto! is already mentioned in the Danny Carey article, and while not meriting a separate article I think that should be redirected there. I can't find anything to suggest that Lance Morrison or John Ziegler should have encyclopedia articles, but Ziegler could be redirected to Pigmy Love Circus or deleted, with the entry at the John Ziegler disambiguation page sufficing. Lance Morrison should be deleted. --Michig (talk) 07:48, 7 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That was sort of what I was initially leaning towards and I like that as a solution. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 08:58, 7 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 19:47, 7 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 19:47, 7 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Courcelles 05:34, 15 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect bandmembers, delete Volto!; I have not found non-primary significant coverage regarding the band Volto! therefore the subject fails WP:GNG. As for bandmembers, if the individuals do not receive significant coverage outside of the band, then the band is notable and the individual is not, which appears to be the case with the two individuals here. However, per WP:OUTCOMES#Music, the common outcome is a redirect to the notable band for non-notable bandmembers. If those individuals by themselves receive significant coverage then the redirects can be recreated as articles when those reliable sources are created by non-primary reliable sources.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 20:10, 16 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect the band members if they have relevant and notable contributions to any band (obviously the ones other than Danny Carey). However I think that "Volto!" article also can be redirected to Danny Carey or Pigmy Love Circus article. User:Michig's proposal seems to be the best so far. Myxomatosis57 (talk) 17:50, 17 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Relisting comment: there is a consensus that some or all of these titles should redirect to somewhere else, but no real consensus on the specifics of which should redirect where, so additional input on that would be beneficial.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Thryduulf (talk) 16:23, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.