Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lakota Tech High School

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The result was keep. Randykitty (talk) 16:43, 2 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Lakota Tech High School

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Not even having reliable coverages, notability is too far. Lordofhunter (talk) 15:19, 26 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • I am not sure about the reliability of your first sources but if see Newscenter1.tv not having any journalist name, above that it is just an announcement by Dr. Anthony Fairbank. 2nd link Rapidcityjounral is again an announcement about the partnership, that too with no journalist name. None of them establish notability. It is not an independent coverage. Lordofhunter (talk) 03:53, 27 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • The Newscenter1.tv article is credited to "NewsCenter1 Staff" (and the copyright at the bottom is to KNBN-TV, a local news station) so that should be good enough in terms of determining whether this was written by a journalist. Not all reliable source publications have every article under a specific employee name. Also the portions by Fairbank are in quotation marks, which is exactly what a reliable source should do. Not all of the article is statements by Fairbank. The second one is written by "Journal staff" (employees of the newspaper), and so this should satisfy that it was written by journalists. Rapid City Journal is the newspaper of the area. The fact that the articles are credited to the newspaper/TV station employees shows that they indeed are independent coverage. WhisperToMe (talk) 06:21, 27 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Notability is not satisfied here based on one piece of news. Newscenter1.tv is not independent news at all, heading itself says that it is an announcement. There is no analyse related to this edu institute. We can't declare every institute notable based on its existence, construction and few coverages in local media based on launches and announcements. Lordofhunter (talk) 12:47, 27 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • The Noem announcement only applies to the first sentence, as the words "On top of the announcement" are in the next sentence, which means in addition to the announcement. The quotes later in the article are from Fairbank, another person. However, I read Wikipedia:Identifying_and_using_primary_sources#Are_news-reporting_media_secondary_or_primary_sources.3F and this says a news story would be a primary source if there is no analysis. Even if, say, the KNBN-TV articles would be considered primary sources, there is another article by Rapid City Journal which discusses how athletes transferred to Lakota Tech High because it didn't have the COVID rules that other high schools had. This article by the Argus Leader explains how, before Lakota Tech was built, the reservation did not have any physical local public high schools. In that case I think the Rapid City Journal articles have sufficient analysis to be considered secondary sources.
  • WhisperToMe (talk) 14:53, 27 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Again it is an announcement, with no analyse or comment by the journalist. The article itself says "Gov. Kristi Noem and Oglala Lakota County School District officials announced". I suggest, lets wait for other editors to share their analysis. Lordofhunter (talk) 11:15, 28 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - easily meets both GNG and NORG. Neither small-town nor weekly equate to unreliable. 174.212.224.74 (talk) 18:26, 27 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
On what grounds, it is meeting NORG ? Lordofhunter (talk) 11:15, 28 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The Rapid City TV stations and newspapers have covered the school. However, meeting NORG isn't required. So what's your point? 174.212.224.74 (talk) 22:14, 28 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Meets WP:GNG, thanks to WhisperToMe's addition of sources, and WP:HEY save. I added a few sources on the talk page, and apologize I have so little time to work on it this week. — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 03:45, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: List of all Sources on the page:
1 olcsd School Website, is not reliable.
2 Argusleader It is not indepth and the news is about the event of "Multiple Native American schools opt to cancel or suspend fall sports".
3, 4, 5 & 7Newscenter1, Argusleader, Rapidcityjournal [1] It is partenership annoncement & Construction update, not independent.
6 Lakotatimes, School Starting timing details, not indepth
8,9 newscenter1, Rapidcityjounral only quotes of spokesperson about finishing 1st year of school, no independence. Lordofhunter (talk) 14:42, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree with your source analysis.
I use the following guidelines to determine a subject's notability:
See Wikipedia:Notability for Beginners:

"In depth" means that there is more than a passing mention or entry in a list or directory. Generally speaking, if there is two or more paragraphs about the subject then the coverage is considered in-depth.

and Wikipedia:One hundred words:

At the present time, the general notability guideline provides inadequate guidance as to what level of coverage is significant. The example presently offered (a large book) should obviously not be taken as a minimum standard for significant coverage, as most topics that meet this criterion have not had entire books written about them.

It is therefore suggested that one hundred non-repetitious words, written in more or less continuous prose, in one or more sources, is clearly significant coverage in all cases. This figure is, however, only suggested as a maximum. Fifty such words would likely be significant.

I added these sources to Talk:Lakota Tech High School:
  • Talented gathering continued at Lakota
  • Lakota receives STEM award
Please note, the sources exist, even though they have not yet been added to the article, per WP:CONTN:

Notability is a property of a subject and not of a Wikipedia article. If the subject has not been covered outside of Wikipedia, no amount of improvements to the Wikipedia content will suddenly make the subject notable. Conversely, if the source material exists, even very poor writing and referencing within a Wikipedia article will not decrease the subject's notability.

— Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 18:04, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Source assessment table:
Source Independent? Reliable? Significant coverage? Count source toward GNG?
Lakota Tech High School No primary source Yes ok for verifiability only Yes subject of article ✘ No
Multiple Native American schools opt to cancel or suspend fall sports; All Nations pushed to spring Yes Independent news source Yes Print news source, AGF fact-checking No Only 3 passing mentions ✘ No
South Dakota, Oglala Lakota schools to construct first public high school on Pine Ridge Yes Independent news source Yes Print news source, AGF fact-checking Yes 9 paragraphs, 264 words, Wikipedia:One hundred words ✔ Yes
Work continues in constructing Oglala Lakota County high school Yes Combination of interviews, historical information Yes Broadcast news source Yes 11 paragraphs, 288 words ✔ Yes
State, Oglala Lakota school district agree to build high school on Pine Ridge Reservation Yes Combination of interviews, historical information, not affiliated with subject Yes Print news source Yes 9 paragraphs, 268 words ✔ Yes
Schools Start Soon Yes Not affiliated with subject Yes Local print source value not understood Article about district schools, 1 paragraph + part of a sentence, 121 words ? Unknown
Lakota Tech registration begins but district’s back to school plan is "work in progress" Yes Not affiliated with subject Yes Video news source Yes Article about school's opening, 587 words ✔ Yes
Lakota Tech High School finishes first year Yes Not affiliated with subject Yes Video news source Yes Quotes faculty, students, school district admin, 571 words ✔ Yes
First-year Lakota Tech hoops enjoying the benefits of transfers across the Pine Ridge Reservation Yes Not affiliated with subject Yes Print news source Yes In-depth coverage of basketball team's development in first year; 1,354 words. ✔ Yes
Talented gathering continued at Lakota (Listed on talk page, WP:CONTN Yes Not affiliated with subject Yes Print news source Yes In-depth coverage of basketball team; 577 words ✔ Yes
  • Lakota receives STEM award (Listed on talk page, WP:CONTN
 Yes Not affiliated with subject Yes Print news source Yes Scholarship awarded to school; 226 words ✔ Yes
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.
  • Wikipedia:Notability for Beginners & Wikipedia:One hundred words are not the coummity driven guidelines. These are just discussions. It has not been thoroughly vetted by the community, please read first paragraph. Ok, "let's assume" if 2 para is considered as in-depth, then at least those para should be independent, and not based on PR material or just a mention that the schools are getting open. I assume some independent commentary is required. Here, same coverage is exactly in multiple sources. How can we consider this independent? Lordofhunter (talk) 07:50, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment/question The nominator put this in the deletion sort for India, which makes me wonder a lot of things. Lordofhunter, what if any connection does this Native American school in South Dakota have to do with India? Jacona (talk) 12:32, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oops that's done by mistake. Lordofhunter (talk) 12:34, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Whatever the initial state of the article, the additions by Whisper and Eugene provide sufficient WP:RS to meet WP:GNG, so Keep.Jacona (talk) 12:41, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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