Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Karam Family

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. j⚛e decker ^talk 16:21, 1 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Karam Family

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List of potential family members which consists of mostly redlinks and no sources. I searched on a couple names and couldn't find anything to indicate notability. Article was de-prodded over a year ago by creator but no improvements have taken place. NeilN ^{talk to me} 13:22, 23 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy delete. It may have been dePRODed which means AfD would be the next step, but that doesn't make it immune from A7 for making absolutely no claims to notability. It would be an insult to regular Wikipedians to expect them to find sources for this family vanity page. Some of the people in the family have Wikipedia pages but that still doesn't even make this page useful as a list article. That said, it may be worthwhile checking on the notability of those other pages too. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:39, 23 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Does A7 apply to families? The guideline doesn't say so explicitly. —Largo Plazo (talk) 13:55, 23 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lebanon-related deletion discussions. NorthAmerica¹⁰⁰⁰ 13:44, 23 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions. NorthAmerica¹⁰⁰⁰ 13:44, 23 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. CSD criteria have generally been narrowly construed. A family is not a real-world person nor an organization, so does not strictly qualify for A7. But the fact that this article makes no assertion of notability or importance whatsoever is still a valid reason for deletion. Squeamish Ossifrage (talk) 14:40, 23 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, unless someone can come up with documentation. They could be the Lebanese Kennedys or Bushes, but I Googled "karim family" "youssef bey" and got no results. I'd definitely expect that if there were discussions of this family in English, there'd be pages online with that phrase and that person's name on them. There could be apt sources in Arabic, but I have no way to identify them and, unless someone supplies them, I'd rather not have this indiscriminate list of mostly red links with no introductory text explaining the significance of the family as a unit. —Largo Plazo (talk) 15:01, 23 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per above comments. The family may well include notable individuals, but that does not in of itself make the family as a whole notable - something that needs to be demonstrated through third-party reliable sources. AndyTheGrump (talk) 15:35, 23 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe redirect to Karam. postdlf (talk) 16:34, 23 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Not a bad idea. Even Karam#Persons. —Largo Plazo (talk) 17:03, 23 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - While I agree with much of what has been said above, I think one common sense point must be made: when all of the red links are removed from this article, it won't be much of a list. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 18:53, 23 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - per Dirtlawyer's reasoning. There is no coherent topic here to justify an article or list. I still think A7 would have applied. --Orange Mike | Talk 12:16, 25 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Topic fails to meet any of our notability guidelines due to insufficient coverage in reliable independent secondary sources. Dominus Vobisdu (talk) 12:50, 26 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Dirtlawyer1 and fails to meet notability guidelines.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 13:11, 26 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Weak delete This is a tough one. I think many of the people listed may be notable and also the family. When I search on the arabic names, a lot of sources that look reliable in arabic pop up, but I don't know arabic and I just don't know much about Lebanon. I think we lack editors from that part of the world, so for now, we should probably delete it. I am One of Many (talk) 06:46, 30 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.