Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Irish mythology in popular culture

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Irish mythology. There is broad consensus that the topic is potentially notable, but that nothing in the present article is of any use, making it a prime candidate for some WP:TNT. But there is no consensus to delete it outright, making redirection the more consensual alternative. Sandstein 19:39, 31 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Irish mythology in popular culture

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Pretty much identical situation (mess) as we had with Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Welsh mythology in the arts and popular culture. The topic may be notable, but what we have here is a 98% unreferenced list of media in which Irish mythology topics appeared in. This fails WP:OR/WP:V as a potential article, WP:IPC as well, and likely WP:LISTN and WP:GNG. For an example of how messy this is, note a bunch of examples of "media (novels, movies) in which characters have names based on Irish mythos characters", where said media has no other connection to Irish mythology (and where it's just some random editor's assumption that the name is indeed inspired by Irish mythology and not some other use or is just a coincidence), ex. "In the movie Hellboy: The Golden Army, the elven king is named Balor." or "In Borderlands 3, there is a respawnable mini-boss called Blind Banshee.". Add to it stuff like "A Statue of Manannán stands upon Binevenagh Mountain, County Londonderry.", "The British progressive rock band The Enid included an 18-minute piece titled "Fand" on their 1977 album Aerie Faerie Nonsense." or "In the film Titanic, the Irish mother tells her two children the story of Oisín and his journey to Tir na nÓg as the ship is about to sink.", and it's a wonderful example of "everything and a kitchen sink", wiki style. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:55, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Popular culture, Lists, and Ireland. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:55, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, or Redirect to Irish mythology as an alternative to deletion. Four pages are given to the subject of popular reference/influence in this dictionary of Irish mythology. There's also this from St. John's University. I think this should be stripped down where sources can't be found, not deleted. 𝕱𝖎𝖈𝖆𝖎𝖆 (talk) 14:05, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge each item which is verifiable to the pages of the specific deities and/or entities, for example Crom Cruach does not currently have a section titled "Modern influence" or "In popular culture," so create such a section and move the verifiable items there, and then delete them from the list. Once the list has been mined for all of the quality sources, delete. Chagropango (talk) 14:38, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - Yet another TV Tropes trivia style list that is essentially an WP:EXAMPLEFARM. While the topic itself may be notable, there is no actual discussion of any sort about it here, and no sources that would actually be useful in supporting an actually legitimate article on the topic, as they are pretty much just the singular pieces of media themselves. While the sources mentioned by Ficaia would certainly be useful for an actual prose article or section on the topic, it would pretty much require a complete rewrite from scratch as this current trivia list is all but useless for such an endeavor. Rorshacma (talk) 14:53, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, passes WP:GNG due to there being significant coverage in reliable secondary sources, that specifically analyses the impact Irish mythology on popular culture.[1][2][3][4] I agree with the concerns of the nominator about the quality of the article but WP:AFDISNOTCLEANUP.

References

  1. ^ Padraic Whyte (2011). Irish Childhoods; Children's Fiction and Irish History. Cambridge Scholars Publishing. ISBN 9781443830959.
  2. ^ Dawn Duncan (2012). Irish Myth, Lore and Legend on Film. Peter Lang. ISBN 9783034301404.
  3. ^ Mark Williams (2018). Ireland's Immortals; A History of the Gods of Irish Myth. Princeton University Press. ISBN 9780691183046.
  4. ^ Rebecca Long (2021). Irish Children’s Literature and the Poetics of Memory. Bloomsbury Academic. ISBN 9781350167254.

SailingInABathTub ~~🛁~~ 23:38, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

WP:TNT does apply. I totally assume a good article can be written on this topic. But nothing from the current one except maybe a sentence from the lead and categories seems rescuable/reusable. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:22, 23 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, passes WP:GNG, as shown by User:SailingInABathTub. However, article clearly needs a stiff dose of WP:TNT. Fiachra10003 (talk) 20:11, 27 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Per WP:TNT as the article in its current state is an example farm. People are welcome to write a new article, but keeping this one does not guarantee it will be improved anytime soon, if ever. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 21:51, 27 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect - Given the sources found, how about a compromise? Let's redirect to Irish mythology for now, okay? If someone tries to rewrite it, they will be able to access the old article in history and perhaps locate something useful. - GizzyCatBella🍁 07:50, 28 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I think a redirect is always a reasonable compromise, no objection. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:37, 31 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per TNT, as others have said above. The topic is notable, but I don't see anything in this article worth preserving. Sojourner in the earth (talk) 09:25, 28 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - this article still has no reliable independent sources, and fails WP:SIGCOV and WP:NLIST. Even to the extent that sources can be found, there is a WP:CONSENSUS that this is a WP:TNT situation where it would need to be rewritten from those sources, with nothing here to WP:PRESERVE. Would accept a redirect. Jontesta (talk) 13:53, 29 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge and redirect anything salvageable to Irish mythology per WP:ATD. There are referants in popular culture, and these should be reasonably documented. If the section grows through proper sourcing, it can be broken out again in the future. BD2412 T 04:55, 31 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

Comment: I know I'm late to this discussion, but the whole purpose of this page was to divert the rampant listcruft that was disfiguring the articles on individual pages on mythological characters, stories etc. Anyone monitoring those pages, brace yourself for a renewed assault. --Nicknack009 (talk) 16:24, 1 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Nicknack009 Reverting fancruft is easy. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:06, 2 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Seconding Nicknack's point here. See talk page. - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 21:05, 21 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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