Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/International Sports Promotion Society

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. -- RoySmith (talk) 13:53, 29 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

International Sports Promotion Society

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Allegedly G11, but I think it could be salvaged...after we determine if the article should stay. TomStar81 (Talk) 10:36, 28 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 12:58, 28 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Disability-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 12:58, 28 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 12:58, 28 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Japan-related deletion discussions. SwisterTwister talk 06:11, 30 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment only for now as I haven't formed much commentary yet but I will say this because the Japanese Wiki has considerable information and sources so this will surely need familiar attention. SwisterTwister talk 06:11, 30 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong Delete There is no clear-cut evidence that this article has been covered in significant detail by independent, reliable, third-party evaluation sources, so I think it fails Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies). I have to admit I cannot see a good reason to keep this if users judge whether the article meets the "WP:GROUP" or not just on the basis of the Japanese wiki which has multiple issue.--Infinite0694 (Talk) 13:26, 30 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong Keep Meets Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies). I think this article should be salvaged because the contents have been significantly improved and increased with new considerable information from independent, reliable, third-party evaluation sources.--Husa (talk) 16:21, 30 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete I've checked sources attached to the article in Japanese Wikipedia and I couldn't find any sources that meet criteria of WP:ORGIND and WP:CORPDEPTH. Husa-san, avobe all please read WP:SPIP, WP:NOTADVERTISING. If you and your friends will provide identifying reliable sources that have been the subject of significant coverage, I'll reconsider the matter. Thank you. Takabeg (talk) 09:15, 1 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Looking into the articles attached to ISPS Japanese Wikipedia (jp:国際スポーツ振興協会) and English Wikipedia, I have found that the following sources evidently meet the criteria of WP:ORGIND and WP:CORPDEPTH. There are a number of independent, reliable publications in all forms, such as newspaper articles and specialized magazines etc.

• "Foxes foursome and new naming sponsor for Open". Queenstown, New Zealand: Mountain Scene. November 12, 2015. Retrieved December 1, 2015.
• "公益財団法人東京都体育協会加盟競技団体等一覧表" (PDF) (in Japanese). Tokyo. 2013-03-01. Retrieved 2015-11-26.
• "続・アカスリ半田劇場3" [Zoku Akasuri Handa Theater 3]. Sports Nippon (in Japanese) (Tokyo, Japan). August 13, 2014.
• "Olympics-Father of blind golf pushing for Paralympic place". Reuters. 2012-06-29. Retrieved 2014-06-14.
• "続・アカスリ半田劇場2" [Zoku Akasuri Handa Theater 2]. Sports Nippon (in Japanese) (Tokyo, Japan). July 20, 2014.
• "16カ国参加スポーツ平和サミット開幕" [World Sports Values Summit for Peace Opens - Participants from 16 Nations]. Daily Sports (in Japanese) (Tokyo, Japan). July 19, 2013. Retrieved November 30, 2015.
• "スポーツ平和サミット東京大会が開催-ｽﾎﾟｰﾂの力は無限大" 公益社団法人　日本プロゴルフ協会 [World Sports Values Summit for Peace in Tokyo is Held – The Power of Sports is Infinite]. PGA News (in Japanese). Tokyo, Japan: Professional Golfers’Association of Japan. July 19, 2013. Retrieved November 30, 2015.
• "Mpumalanga Black Aces proud of ISPS kit deal". Kick Off. July 31, 2014. Retrieved November 30, 2015.
• "ポールターにマスターズ覇者も! ISPSハンダグローバルカップ記者発表会開催" [ISPS Handa Global Cup of the press conference held]. ALBA (in Japanese) (Tokyo, Japan). July 1, 2015. Retrieved November 30, 2015.
• "ISPS Handa and LET sign new agreement". Golf Monthly (Time Inc. (UK) Ltd.). December 1, 2014. Retrieved November 30, 2015.
• "ISPS HANDA becomes title sponsor of World Cup of Golf". PGA European Tour. September 11, 2013.
• "ISPSハンダがワールドカップのタイトルスポンサーに" [ISPS Handa becomes title sponsor of World Cup of Golf]. ParGolf (in Japanese) (Tokyo, Japan: Pargolf & Company). September 11, 2013.
• "ISPSハンダがワールドカップのタイトルスポンサーに" [ISPS Handa becomes title sponsor of World Cup of Golf]. Golf Digest (in Japanese) (Tokyo, Japan). September 11, 2013. Retrieved November 30, 2015.
• "ISPS HANDA becomes title sponsor of World Cup of Golf 2013". Sankei Sports (in Japanese) (Tokyo, Japan). September 12, 2013.

There is no obvious evidence that the above listed sources do not meet the criteria of WP:ORGIND and WP:CORPDEPTH. ISPS has launched ISPS Handa Global Cup, one of the highest-rated tournament in Japan, and also organizes ISPS Handa World Cup of Golf, one of the most renowned golf event in the world. Since Infinite0694-san and Takabeg-san are Japanese users who seem not to know a lot about golf, they have disregarded independent, reliable third-party evaluation sources such as golf magazines. Husa-san is a Japanese user who is quite knowledgeable of golf and disabled golf (blind golf). Additionally, Google search will provide more news such as [1]. I understand the original reason for the request of delete was the advertising description uploaded by two supporters, User talk: IMGGolf15 and User talk:143.223.9.249. Now that, however, the great majority of such advertising description has already been deleted, resulting in being encyclopedic enough to be kept. In view of the fact that the original reason for delete has already disappeared, there cannot be seen any necessity to continue the consideration. 創造院 (talk) 15:53, 1 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - The sources overall fail WP:CORPDEPTH. Sponsorship deal announcements are generally trivial coverage, and there is absolutely no coverage of ISPS Handa outside the context of these sponsorship deals. The only reason I voted for Keep is a number of reputable sources do give single-paragraph background on ISPS Handa, but the need for such points to the utter lack of WP:RS in other sources. The entire article was written with a heavy WP:PROMOTION slant and without serious revision to the article. I expect it to remain eligible for another AfD nomination. Jun Kayama 16:46, 21 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Clearly notable. No reason for deletion. Deletion should be a last resort! There cannot be seen any advertising or other spam in the article, which has many independent, reliable and third-party sources such as Reuters[2], Kick Off, Japanese newspaper, and so on. Its contents are entirely encyclopedic. ぽてから (talk) 08:06, 14 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete the first so-called in-depth source from the above list that I picked to look at (ISPSハンダがワールドカップのタイトルスポンサーに of 2013/09/11) was a short, possibly slightly rewritten, Press Release from ISPS. The second one ("スポーツ平和サミット東京大会が開催-ｽﾎﾟｰﾂの力は無限大") was a short report on a ISPS sponsored conference, with no coverage of ISPS. These sorts of articles do not meet the in-depth coverage standards of WP:ORG. Undoubtedly the Japanese Wikipedia has their own distinct standards. --Bejnar (talk) 02:48, 18 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - Japan may repeatedly demonstrate rock bottom standards in the use of citations, but in this particular case ISPS Handa is covered by the Daily Telegraph [3], Boston Herald [4], the PGA [5], and the LPGA [6]. There is a European Tour article which actually references Haruhisa Handa by name and provides a short biography as well [7]. The article edges towards WP:PROMO but there is enough in the way of WP:RS to justify its continued existence. Jun Kayama 05:56, 20 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Those sources you just mentioned do not cover the ISPS, they mention it in passing since it sponsored the sporting event that is being covered. --Bejnar (talk) 06:23, 20 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - With reservations. [8] and [9] both cover achievements. It's not just pure sponsorship mentioned but canvassing for the Paralympics and activism for disabled golfers. There is barely enough for WP:ORGDEPTH but it is there. Haruhisa Handa certainly does not get a pass on WP:BIO for his non-golf related philanthropy, the majority of the sources listed by 創造院 are subpar, and the quality of the article leaves much to be desired (Husa left reference to a blond medal in the text, which is atrocious) but with a lot of elbow grease this article can be fixed. Jun Kayama 07:25, 20 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - After going through the article with a blowtorch and removing the more outrageous nonsense (i.e. Premia League and dubious claims) I am convinced that this article was generated with WP:PROMOTION in mind. However there's enough mention in WP:RS to give it a chance at life provided the more over-the-top laudatory nonsense is excised (Japanese editors: What makes sense to you in Japanese text is often nonsensical in English, especially when you fail utterly to provide WP:RS). If this AfD is relisted and this article doesn't undergo substantive improvement in quality, I'm voting for Deletion. Jun Kayama 16:27, 20 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment - For the sake of any other beneficial comments overall, I hope this will be relisted another time. SwisterTwister talk 06:00, 20 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - Based on the above. The article definitely needs some love though. --allthefoxes ^(Talk) 22:19, 20 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.