Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Institute for International Research

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The result was keep. Promotional content has now been largely subdued. Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 13:57, 26 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Institute for International Research

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Corporate puff-piece written like an advert / marketing brochure with little substantiation of the company's notability. Bob Re-born (talk) 14:18, 9 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:02, 9 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the Article Rescue Squadron's list of content for rescue consideration. Ipsign (talk) 10:07, 18 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy delete. This easily qualifies as entirely unambiguous advertising:

....provides business information solutions worldwide.
IIR offers conferences, training, event management and increasingly bespoke solutions to professionals and senior business executives.
IIR’s events are based on market research to produce insight and intelligence to reveal emerging trends, critical interest areas and opportunities to interact. Events often feature noteworthy speakers – heads of state, global CEOs, entrepreneurs, best-selling authors, trendsetters. Influential and sought-after experts ensure the the events feature authoritative information and the latest best practices.
Today in America, Front End of Innovation focuses on provoking change, exchanging best practices and defining next practices. GAIN USA has also gained a reputation for identifying the rising stars of the Alternative Investment sector...
continues to build a diverse portfolio of professional conferences, training seminars, exhibitions and custom training solutions developing flagship events...
IIR staff investigate new trends to identify the event and training needs of each market and based on this information, design program content, where corporate practitioners (almost exclusively directors Managing Director, Head of Department) are invited as speakers, seminar leaders and recognized trainers or consultants. The company relies on a network of leading industry experts ("Advisory Boards"). IIR markets the products through direct marketing (primarily postal mailings, but also fax transmissions), email and online marketing. In addition, specialist IIR consultants are used to advise individual clients (large companies) or their employees individually. Events primarily take place at five star hotels and training centers.

Given this text, no reference and no claim of significance can save this; it requires a complete do-over. I gather that what this business really does is serve as a booking company for celebrity motivational and salesmanship seminars, but the bullshit is so thick that it's hard to tell. - Smerdis of Tlön - killing the human spirit since 2003! 16:00, 9 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Speedy delete?!? Really?!?! I don't have time to dig this morning, but it's pretty clear that this roughly $1 billion company established in 1973 has a big enough web footprint that there is sourcing out there in the business press. The tone of this article is promotional, but that's an editing matter. Carrite (talk) 16:35, 9 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Since this text is promotional nonsense from top to bottom, questions about whether the underlying business is big or important shouldn't even arise. Wikipedia's servers should not be misused for the purpose of circulating this stuff. Being unambiguous advertising remains grounds for speedy deletion, and this is unambiguous advertising. We'd be better off not having an article on this business than having an article with this text in the history: this is simply not an encyclopedia article. And, of course, speedy deletion is typically without prejudice to creating a real article. I don't see a whole lot of coverage about this business itself (as opposed to events it has promoted), but with this text that shouldn't even arise as a question. It might be better to not speedy delete this, but only to establish a clear precedent against re-creation. - Smerdis of Tlön - killing the human spirit since 2003! 17:34, 9 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 06:20, 18 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per WP:PRESERVE and WP:N but with severe cleanup to avoid WP:ADVERTISING. Subject is clearly notable (even quick search in Google News on "institute for international research" returns several dozens of recent mentionings), so WP:N is satisfied. And even if all WP:ADVERTISING is removed, there will still be something left, so WP:PRESERVE applies. Ipsign (talk) 09:43, 18 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Article cleaned up to a certain extent. Suraj T 12:10, 18 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the Article Rescue Squadron's list of content for rescue consideration. Milowent • ^hasspoken 12:38, 18 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I added another source and cleaned up the lead paragraph. The company is notable and AFD is not for cleanup; really the nom doesn't purport to claim that the company is non-notable, just that it wasn't "substantiated" among the ridiculous puffy content that polluted it. I believe it worth's keeping.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 12:38, 18 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Ipsign (talk), but continuing improvement to remove advertising tone is needed. --DThomsen8 (talk) 14:35, 18 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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