Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Guerin Austin

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Sources have been presented that push the subject beyond WP:BLP1E, but no consensus has been reached on whether this is sufficient. (non-admin closure) SSTflyer 02:41, 17 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Guerin Austin

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Austin is from Bellevue, Nebraska, a suburb of Omaha, so the Omaha paper covering here win is local coverage. Even if we could consider this a reliable 3rd party source, we would only have one. The only source we have for her broadcasting career is a press release from her employer. Beyond this, winning a state beauty pageant is generally considered to be a one event occurance that does not justify having an article on the person John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:35, 1 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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• (addend: Possibly) Redirect to Miss Nebraska USA as a valid search term, and the subject is mentioned there. The subject has received some non-pageant coverage for their news reporting (e.g. [1]), but not a great deal of coverage. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 04:05, 1 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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• Redirect to Miss Nebraska USA; not independently notable. K.e.coffman (talk) 22:15, 3 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Beyond her two attempts to win Miss Nebraska, the second one successful, she also competed in Miss USA. Since then she has gone on to a sports reporting career at NESN. That career has at least one notable incident, the Gatorade celebration (dismissed casually above) that was covered by numerous sportscasts. Trackinfo (talk) 09:09, 5 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep as per Trackinfo --- PageantUpdater (talk) 09:23, 5 September 2016 (UTC) Weak keep per outcome of the RFC. There really isn't much out there. I suspect there would have been more about her Miss Nebraska USA year not currently available in general searches but without access to databases that's pure speculation. --- PageantUpdater (talk) 23:49, 9 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Closure Comment - I originally closed as Redirect however TrackInfo had an issue and unbeknown to me they'd actually added sources to the article[2], They're pretty crap IMHO but regardless they should be discussed, If consensus is to redirect I strongly suggest an admin closes it as such. –Davey2010^Talk 21:35, 9 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment -- I do not consider the recent addition helping with the subject's notability:

• In June 2016, when the Red Sox made an extra inning comeback against the White Sox, Austin was caught in the crossfire of the teams exuberant Gatorade celebration, and incident covered by sportscasters around the world.^[1][2][3][4]

This is probably best described as trivia, and is not adding value to the article or the encyclopedia overall.

• She currently works as a reporter for NESN.^[1]

This is cited to the station itself, so it's not a source independent of the subject (employment at the station).

In short, these additions did not make me reconsider my !vote. K.e.coffman (talk) 20:09, 10 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

In short, you, K.e.coffman, have too high of standards to be commenting on beauty pageants. Your motive in voting against every contestant is clear. Trivia is in the eye of the beholder. Multiple sources reporting an incident add up to coverage of this subject fulfilling WP:GNG and that is our standard here. Your or my opinion do not matter in regards to the overall world view of importance. We report what the press reports about the subject. If enough of them think it is worthy of mention, trivia becomes a story. Please take your habitual negativity toward this entire subject elsewhere. Trackinfo (talk) 00:51, 13 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The closing editor stated "They [new sources] are pretty crap IMHO" and somehow I have high standards? :-) K.e.coffman (talk) 00:59, 13 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

CBS Sports, reporting about a sports reporter is crap? Trackinfo (talk) 01:28, 13 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I just added Vice Sports, Boston Globe and Irish Examiner. Trackinfo (talk) 01:50, 13 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

All of those sources are more or less just mentions of the subject ... There needs to be more than just mentions, Despite your efforts the subject still doesn't meet the notability requirements and therefore should be deleted accordingly. –Davey2010^Talk 02:06, 13 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I have now added better sourcing for her Emmy Award win. Trackinfo (talk) 19:39, 13 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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