Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Goodwater, Arizona

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 08:32, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Goodwater, Arizona

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A gas station/cafe in the middle of the Goodwater Ranch, the scene (more or less) of a 1953 rape/murder which got the perpetrator the chair. It's clear from topos and aerials that this is all that was ever there; there was never a town here and everything is long gone. The notoriety of the crime appears to have been short-lived, as this was pretty much all I could find out about it beyond an AZ Supreme Court appeal ruling which "omit[s] many atrocious circumstances". Mangoe (talk) 20:22, 31 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Geography and Arizona. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 20:28, 31 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Meh. There's buildings there, and quite a few ranch roads. Could be a settlement. It has its own zip code after all. Otoh, not seeing anything that would be notable right there, on the map or anywhere else. It's only about 10 minutes from the Hopi Travel Plaza (not in Goodwater) and less than that from Painted Forest (not in Goodwater), but neither seems like anything more than completely arbitrary as a redirect. If I don't come back to this, this comment can be considered a very weak delete. Elinruby (talk) 22:36, 31 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

off-topic for AfD but somewhat interesting: I did not find the murder you referenced. I did find something in Newspapers about a much earlier murder (1920s) committed by someone who lived there. Neither factoid strikes me as notable however. Elinruby (talk) 22:41, 31 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:45, 7 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It does not have its own zip code, and I could not determine that it ever did, or even a post office. Mangoe (talk) 04:12, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:V and WP:GEOLAND, if we're going to have an article on a settlement then we need a reliable source which says it's a settlement. The sources cited in the article are not reliable and I can't find anything better. The news article on the murder says "In the early 1950’s, Goodwater, Arizona was the proverbial wide spot in the road... there was little more in Goodwater than a service station and small cafe", which suggests there wasn't actually a settlement there at all. Relying on the judgement of editors about whether there's a settlement there is WP:OR. Hut 8.5 18:27, 11 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.