Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Genetic Sovereign

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The result was delete. Consensus is these albums don't meet the label criteria of WP:Music and no evidence of notability TravellingCari 19:15, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Genetic Sovereign

Band claims to have released two albums, thus satisfying WP:BAND, but the article lacks any third-party reference sources to verify notability. DAJF (talk) 02:46, 15 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Japan-related deletion discussions. —DAJF (talk) 02:54, 15 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. —DAJF (talk) 02:54, 15 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, article fails to establish notability as per WP:MUSIC. The albums don't allow them to pass because they haven't been released "on a major label or one of the more important indie labels". Esradekan Gibb ^"Talk" 03:37, 15 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Album articles claim they're on the label GDL. Who is? —Quasirandom (talk) 16:53, 15 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. With a bit more time on my hands, I have tried googling for information about the record label "GDL", without any success. The fact that googling for third-party reviews of the two albums only turns up wiki entries and blogs written by persons involved in the bands, also makes the group's notability appear increasingly suspect. --DAJF (talk) 03:07, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - Agreed. As far as I can tell, these were effectively self-published albums, or the next thing to -- certainly not major indie in the WP:MUSIC sense. I'm also getting bupkis on reviews or notice. Delete. —Quasirandom (talk) 04:06, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
~~Weak keep~~. Delete. LexisNexis, Factiva, Google News, JSTOR (checked it for fun), and Worldcat produce nothing for the rock band "Genetic Sovereign". If we can't get any English-language coverage from these powerful databases, we have a serious problem. Factiva, in particular, doesn't produce any Japanese-language coverage either, making me think this band will be hard-pressed to meet our standard notability guidelines. Obviously, WP:MUSIC is the band's best chance at survival here. GDL, as a label, appears to get some coverage in the press making me think that this Japanese label *might* have a little notability. Finally, there's the issue of the band's lead singer, Adeyto Rex Angeli. Is she notable? Again, the answer seems negative, despite an unverifiable Japanese-language TV interview on her website. So, on balance, I think this band is a really weak keep for now, but could really go either way. FWIW, J Readings (talk) 08:30, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Could you post some links that demonstrate media coverage of the GDL recording label, please, as I had no luck turning up anything on Google. Japanese language sources are fine. --DAJF (talk) 14:51, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the note. I'm not surprised that you couldn't find anything. As I said above, this situation was a very weak keep candidate for me bordering on deletion. GDL *might* have a little notability, but after spending another full hour reviewing the LexisNexis database results, I'm changing my opinion to delete. I re-checked the results (and was prepared to just post the relevant passages with the citations) by typing in the keywords "GDL" AND "label" AND "music". Four results -- all of which were false positives. I also excluded "music" and got 97 hits. Having read carefully the first 20 articles now, they too are false positives. I'm inclined to think that the other 77 articles won't be any different, so my apologies for the previous "weak keep" recommendation. It's really a delete for me now. J Readings (talk) 00:59, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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